Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

[caz]

Hi Lynn,

Loosely related to the question of who we think Jack really was...

...a question for you about the various copycat theories, if I may:

The papers may have been full of details about the shocking murders, but many details were either missing, inaccurate or invented. There was also a common theme running through: the police, the press, even the doctors, were all at a loss to explain how the victims were initially subdued, so effectively, so quickly and with so little fuss. We still ask the question today, and we have access to far more detailed and accurate information than anyone on the street in 1888.

So my question is how would your copycat killer(s) have guessed, or discovered, what this highly mysterious trick was, when no expert in the land could apparently work it out? And what were the chances of putting the trick into practice and getting it perfect first time, either by accident or design?

As you know, I already struggle with the idea that 'Jack' was really several killers, all with their own reasons for snuffing out an unfortunate life or two at the same time and place. I really struggle with all these extras making a reasonably decent job of coming together as one Jack and fooling so many, in an age long before 'repeat offender' tripped off the tongue.

Love,

Caz
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[Rubyretro]

very good point, Caz..

[DVV]

Eddowes has been disfigured by a creative copycat, hasn't she ?

[Wickerman]

Eddowes has been disfigured by a creative copycat, hasn't she ?

Suggesting 'that', does not make it so.

Regards, Jon S.

[DVV]

Suggesting 'that', does not make it so.

Regards, Jon S.

I even believe it's absurd, Jon, hence the oxymoron.

[lynn cates]

problem

Hello Caroline. Thanks for that.

I suppose that aspect of the case has never once bothered me. If I recall properly, both Polly and Annie had bruises apparently marking where digits were inserted as part of their strangulation. That would take, I suppose, 2-5 minutes. Time seems not to be a factor in their deaths.

Time, however, would be a BIG factor in Kate's death--given, of course, the usual timeline suggested by Gareth Williams in his excellent dissertation.

So perhaps her assailant was the only one with that problem AND the right knowledge to circumvent it?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

copycat

Hello David. I think Kate was the only TRUE copycat killing.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Hi Lynn

why would a "true" copycat disfigure her ? His model never did so.

[caz]

But Lynn, what about MJK's face - or lack thereof?

MJK, with her total disfigurement, would seem to have been an even more creative copycat of your only TRUE copycat, who was the first to venture above the neck with his pointy paintbrush.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Love,

Caz
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[Malcolm X]

I'd say the biggest problem facing Ripperologists is that some view evidence as a 'problem' and not an opportunity for insight and understanding.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

as long as it's not unrealistic my old friend, because this copycat stuff is just a poor excuse to insert a weak suspect, you ask anybody that matters and the C5 holds firm, the only dodgy murders are the other lot, the Coles and Mackenzies/ torsos.

GH is by far the most realistic suspect, simply because he's directly connected to the last murder in a highly suspicious way, this in turn, also connects him to Eddowes and Stride, plus similar suspects were seen here too, especially Lawende.

whoever killed MJK, definitely killed the other two...FACT, this is because of the GRAFFITI/ APRON and the location of Dutfields.

you only need to suss out who killed MJK to find out who was JTR.... this is why i focus on her only.

finally to really prove this, we need to find out what happened after 1889, and this is where we're Screwed.... the best place to look is deffo Romford

i'm surprised that in all the time that i've been off this forum, that the pro GH guys havent been doing this, rather than argueing here and thus getting barred from posting in.

my guess is JTR had to temporarily stop killing, was about to start up again, but probably died, i very much doubt he went insane, because going insane is quite rare, you are way more likely to die of ill health.

even if JTR was killing due to the occult only, he would still carry on after a break, because that's the nature of the beast.

so why did this guy called GH stop, well apart from the obvious ( going to Abberline), there must be another reason too, so he either died or he shot off abroad or he used his brains and hid the bodies!!!!!!

[Malcolm X]

the ony true copycat can be MJK, simply because Eddowes was the first to have her face mutilated and thus can not be copycat of anyone.

please remember this because to mention this again really does mess you up.

plus, MJK is a hideous mess for one obvious reason only..... only one...... he did not have nearly enough time to mutilate Eddowes like he wanted to, he only had about 5 mins....so he only quickly toyed with her.

the 2nd lesser reason, MJK is an escellation in horror/ perversion, that's all.

he knew this was going to happen next time, so he went looking for an inside murder only, all of this that i'm telling you makes so much sense doesn't it and you know it does.

and you know too but hate to admit it, that JTR is an anti-semetic bastard as well and he thinks he's on an occult 4th Crusade to the Holy Lands, he thus describes the killer as a LA DE DA jew, a get rich quick diamond dealer from Petticoat lane.

you know it, i know it but cant prove it, JTR is GH, for sure...... damn it

there's no point polling it, because i cant prove it

[Wickerman]

....and you know too but hate to admit it, that JTR is an anti-semetic bastard as well and he thinks he's on an occult 4th Crusade to the Holy Lands, he thus describes the killer as a LA DE DA jew, a get rich quick diamond dealer from Petticoat lane.

you know it, i know it but cant prove it, JTR is GH, for sure...... damn it

I guess we can mark you down as "undecided".
:-)

Jon

[DVV]

MJK is a hideous mess for one obvious reason only..... only one......

Not sure. The fact that the most mutilated victim is also the last one makes the reason slightly more complicated, imo.

[Malcolm X]

Not sure. The fact that the most mutilated victim is also the last one makes the reason slightly more complicated, imo.

yes it does, my guess is it's the last one because he was after a heart only, this final murder has to be the greatest sacrafice of all, hence it's done indoors, it probably featured VOODOO style chants and silly Pagan rubbish too, hence a massive fire burning that ruined the kettle..

no idea, but it's probably something like this, because removing the heart is highly symbolic of anything Pagan, as is the way the corpse looks, very creepy indeed.

5 points to a pentagon, 5 murders and no more....maybe and maybe he died before he was about to kill again, or maybe he did kill another 5 and simply hid the bodies

[lynn cates]

mix and match

Hello Caroline. Frankly, I think MJK would have looked about the same, C1-C4 notwithstanding.

If I were to think of her in terms of copycat, I would think Phoenix Park--although, of course, those blokes were in haste and needed to do a quick job.

Her murder also portends the Cronin murder yet to come. (I speak with respect to intent and sharp instruments--not just wounds.)

Cheers.
LC