Name your top 3 suspects with top 3 reasons why you think so...

[mklhawley]

No problem Abby Normal, but just to clarify a few misconceptions. Tumblety was by no means fat. All account talk about how athletic he was. Also, he lived a duel life and his ostentaciousness was only in his public life. Tumblety admitted to hanging out in the Whitechapel streets during the killings and was dressed, "as to not bring attention to myself" (his words). Lastly, at this very time, he was having sexual encounters with different young men on "at least" four occasions. He was definately young at heart.

This man was sneaking in the shadows of the Whitechapel streets at the very time of the murders and when he jumped bail to France after his second arrest, the Whitechapel killings stopped. To me, I can see why Scotland Yard considered him a suspect.

Sincerely,

Mike

[Kaspar]

1) Jacob Levy
- Right age, profile, height
- Residence at Middlesex St. is right in the middle of the murders.
- Explains why Joseph Hyam Levy would not testify as to whom he saw with Eddows
- Butcher by trade, had knives and knew who to use them
- Goulston St. Grafito fits with Levy having been arrested from stealing meat from butcher shop in Goulston St.
- Became more and more insane due to syphilis, which in the end killed him.
- Motive for the killings - syphilis possibly contracted by postitutes.
- Might even be Anderson's suspect, but I don't know whether the Levy's where originally from Poland.
- Whitechapel murder case closed shotly after his death at the asylum.

Amazingly there is almost no research being done on Levy, but he looks to me to fit the bill a lot more than must other victims.

2) David Cohen
Most violent patient at Colney Hatch, right age and died at the "right" time.

3) ?

[Gentleman Jack]

1) Jacob Levy
- Right age, profile, height
- Residence at Middlesex St. is right in the middle of the murders.
- Explains why Joseph Hyam Levy would not testify as to whom he saw with Eddows
- Butcher by trade, had knives and knew who to use them
- Goulston St. Grafito fits with Levy having been arrested from stealing meat from butcher shop in Goulston St.
- Became more and more insane due to syphilis, which in the end killed him.
- Motive for the killings - syphilis possibly contracted by postitutes.
- Might even be Anderson's suspect, but I don't know whether the Levy's where originally from Poland.
- Whitechapel murder case closed shotly after his death at the asylum.

Amazingly there is almost no research being done on Levy, but he looks to me to fit the bill a lot more than must other victims.

Couldn't agree more. In fact, one of my resources said that, not only was he a butcher, but that he was an Offal Dresser. This means that he would have had both the knowledge and the necessary speed to pull the murders off... as our number one is the same, I'll just list my other two.

2) William H. Bury
- Right age, profile, and height
- notoriously violent toward women
- concocted that elaborate plan to get himself and his wife to Dundee fairly shortly after the MJK murder
- chalk graffiti in home referenced Jack the Ripper
- murdered his wife in a similar fashion ... In fact, were one to include Rose Mylett who was strangled with a rope (and give consideration to the evolution the serial killer's method undergoes as the practice), I'd say he may very well be tied for the number one spot in my book.
- fits the FBI profile of a serial killer beautifully
- was a considered a suspect at the time

3) David Cohen
- could very easily be the "Kosminski" suspect to whom the police referred
- was excessively aggressive and easily agitated
- was sent to Colney Hatch fairly shortly after the MJK murder.
- died shortly after being brought to the asylum

[Kaspar]

Couldn't agree more. In fact, one of my resources said that, not only was he a butcher, but that he was an Offal Dresser. This means that he would have had both the knowledge and the necessary speed to pull the murders off... as our number one is the same, I'll just list my other two.

I would really love to see the Mystery Files: Jack the Ripper programme where Levy is put forward as the major suspect - but I have not been able to find it.

[tji]

Hi Kaspar


- Might even be Anderson's suspect, but I don't know whether the Levy's where originally from Poland.

Jacob's grandmother (Sarah Levy) was born in Amsterdam, Netherlands in 1777, we know she married Isaac Hayim Levy in City of London Sep 1812.
He was born abt 1790 and was a butcher, however not sure where he was born yet.

Tj

[Phil H]

1. Kosminski (otherwise Anderson's Polish jew by whatever name) - reason? because Swanson and Anderson who were no fools suspected him at the time.

There may have been confusion about the EXACT identity of the suspect - as research seems to have shown. So I would include here such suspects as Levy who have many of the same hallmarks.

2. M J Druitt - again because Macnaghten named him and gave quite detailed reasons. MacN probably knew more than we do, perhaps confidentially. But he named him as a likely suspect.

3. Perhaps actually my top candidate if there was an sort of cover-up (and I am minded that MacN's memo is phrased in such a way that it might be a cover. A Fenian agent or someone involved with them, plots to assassinate Arthur Balfour, Phoenix Park murders, attempted bombings of westminster Abbey in 1887 (Golden Jubilee year) and successful one of Scotland Yard itself.

Dr Anderson had been involved very closely and recently with secret Fenian affairs and agents. Munro - whom the Home Secretary said (in an eigmatic note that could mean anything) might give a hint, was involved in secret affairs. MacN said once that the killer was a man who had tried to kill Balfour. Swanson, I recall commented to his grandson that the solution was a "hot potato".

Imagine that, as the Good Friday agreement was being finalised in the late
1990s - so fragile, so dependent on people being kept onside, that material had emerged that might go public that a key player was a serial killer, or that whomever was could embarrass a key political party to the deal. Would not a Government move heaven and earth to keep that information under wraps.

On that basis, and the identities of the key police officials mentioned iabove in positions of influence in 1888-94, I could well believe that the remarks of men like Anderson, Swanson and macnaghten were part of a sophisticated an dfar reaching cover-up. MacN's suspects would then be plucked from the crossbar almost at random as - more likely than Cutbush - to hide another name. It gives the file, and the home secretary "something" if pressed. Equally it might explain the gaping holes in Anderson's and Swanson's related accounts.

Finally, if a Fenian were at the centre of Scotland Yard's and the Government's suspcions, it might explain interest in Tumblety, even if he was not himself the man - and why his name was mentioned so rarely in the british press and why it was Littlechild (Special Branch again) who raised his name.

Just my suspicions.

Phil

[Versa]

1) Jacob Levy
- Right age, profile, height
- Residence at Middlesex St. is right in the middle of the murders.
- Explains why Joseph Hyam Levy would not testify as to whom he saw with Eddows
- Butcher by trade, had knives and knew who to use them
- Goulston St. Grafito fits with Levy having been arrested from stealing meat from butcher shop in Goulston St.
- Became more and more insane due to syphilis, which in the end killed him.
- Motive for the killings - syphilis possibly contracted by postitutes.
- Might even be Anderson's suspect, but I don't know whether the Levy's where originally from Poland.
- Whitechapel murder case closed shotly after his death at the asylum.

Amazingly there is almost no research being done on Levy, but he looks to me to fit the bill a lot more than must other victims.

definatly my number 1

2. 1.As yet,unknown/unnamed local man

[Jimi]

Top 3 suspects

Hi All
Yes i`ll name my top 3 suspects, however i doubt that we will ever find PROOF of his guilt.
1 jacob levy
2 Jacob Levy
3 Jacob Levy

He just fits the profile in every way. I have to admit it has taken myself and others over 5 years of digging to discover the reasons behind our convictions and still can`t PROVE he was the man but I can`t see another more suitable candidate. Keep your Kosminski,Druitt and Tumblety, Levy was the MAN for me.
That`s in my opinion of course.
Gentleman Jack .... Hi
You said according to your sources that Jacob was an Offal Dresser and that this would give him the neccesary knowledge and necessary speed to commit the murders. May i ask what leads you to that conclusion as i do have knowledge of an Offal Dressers capabilities?
Hi Kaspar
You mention that no research is being investigated as to Jacob being a viable JTR suspect. Perhaps you would like to check out our thread Jacob the Ripper or even PM myself. Our research has now spanned over 5 years and we would quite willingly share any information with interested members of casebook.
Versa
And thers more!!!!
This is the 21st century. Please lets get away from the Royal conspiracy,The Kosminski, Cohen ruse. Tumblety has so little going for him. Why can`t we see that Levy is a major suspect?
Keep Well and thank you for your time
Jimi

[Kaspar]

Hi Kaspar
You mention that no research is being investigated as to Jacob being a viable JTR suspect. Perhaps you would like to check out our thread Jacob the Ripper or even PM myself. Our research has now spanned over 5 years and we would quite willingly share any information with interested members of casebook.

Hi Jimi,
I have with interest read your Jacob the Ripper thread and will continue to do so as it is updated.

What I meant with no research being done into Levy was that he seems to be the suspect that most of the well-known and experienced researchers such as Rumbelow, Evans, Begg and Fido have not commented about him. All documentaries focus on other suspects(Mystery Files: Jack the Ripper being the exception - but I have yet to see that one unfortunately). The Rippercast episodes have never mentioned him. I find this very strange as he fits the bill so perfectly.

I have even suggested a Rippercast episode that deals with Jacob Levy in particular whether he has ever been completely ruled out because of factual evidence.

I admit that I had not heard of Jacob Levy until the Sherlock Holmes vs. Jack the Ripper game came out and the pointed to Levy. That peaked my interest and so far no one except Fido's theory on David Cohen is close to being my prime suspect. I'm interested in the mystery, the time perioed and who the hell he was, but I'm not a researcher at all, I just read what other people find with interest.

[Abby Normal]

Hi All
Yes i`ll name my top 3 suspects, however i doubt that we will ever find PROOF of his guilt.
1 jacob levy
2 Jacob Levy
3 Jacob Levy

He just fits the profile in every way. I have to admit it has taken myself and others over 5 years of digging to discover the reasons behind our convictions and still can`t PROVE he was the man but I can`t see another more suitable candidate. Keep your Kosminski,Druitt and Tumblety, Levy was the MAN for me.
That`s in my opinion of course.
Gentleman Jack .... Hi
You said according to your sources that Jacob was an Offal Dresser and that this would give him the neccesary knowledge and necessary speed to commit the murders. May i ask what leads you to that conclusion as i do have knowledge of an Offal Dressers capabilities?
Hi Kaspar
You mention that no research is being investigated as to Jacob being a viable JTR suspect. Perhaps you would like to check out our thread Jacob the Ripper or even PM myself. Our research has now spanned over 5 years and we would quite willingly share any information with interested members of casebook.
Versa
And thers more!!!!
This is the 21st century. Please lets get away from the Royal conspiracy,The Kosminski, Cohen ruse. Tumblety has so little going for him. Why can`t we see that Levy is a major suspect?
Keep Well and thank you for your time
Jimi

Hi Jimi
Why is he your man? I am intrigued-can you please give me some details as to why you think he was JtR? Thanks in advance!

[Scott Nelson]

Jacob Levy was too fat to have been the Ripper.

[tji]

Hi Scott

Jacob Levy was too fat to have been the Ripper.


Well, I that's a new alibi, I haven't heard that one before!!

I have to admit I have only seen the weight given while he was into stone and that was 5ft 3 and 9st 3Ib. I don't see this as being too fat

Tj

[Radical Joe]

I would really love to see the Mystery Files: Jack the Ripper programme where Levy is put forward as the major suspect - but I have not been able to find it.

It's available to watch anytime via National Geographic On Demand, if you can access it. I get it through Tiscali.

[Jimi]

Jacob

Hi All
Hi Abby
You ask me for my reasons as too believing Jacob Levy as JTR. I don`t want to hi-jack somebody elses thread and there are other threads too discuss this on. However i am allowed too give you my top 3 reasons -:
1. Method
2. Motive
3. Opportunity
Please feel free to ask any other questions on a Levy thread (Jacob the Ripper) perhaps.
Keep Well
Jimi

[Tom_Wescott]

There goes Jimi, blaming everything on good ol' MOM!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott