Isenschmid(t) Records: Part 2

[lynn cates]

agree

Hello Corey.

"A sociopath's main factoid is they feel no remorse, no guilt, thus they are the true monsters, not psychopaths"

I could not agree more. They scare the devil out of me.

When I studied them in psych, it was said that, when cornered (on a less serious charge), they would OVER confess. In other words, they could feign guilt and humility and "grovel" more that a true penitent.

Is that still the theory? It is over 30 years since I studied abnormal psych.

Cheers.
LC

[Garza]

Plus pyschopaths are usually disorganised killers, JtR showed traits of organisation, he had a method.

[corey123]

Actually Lynn, many more sociopaths then psychopaths kill, and this has been proven with statistics, Ted Bundy, Harold Shipman, Neil Creme, all were sociopaths, and me thinks it is possible that Peter Kurten and Peter Sutcliffe were too, however they likely lied to obtain the ruling of insanity.

This is what makes killers hard to catch, the fact that they are sociopathic, and have clear thinking. A sociopaths main factoid is they feel no remorse, no guilt, thus they are the true monsters, not psychopaths, who are a harm more to themselves than anything else. Yet if Jacob Isenschmid was the killer, it fits the profile of a psychopathic killer, who is usually always caught, and early.

Yours truly,

Corey

[lynn cates]

police

Hello Jason.

"Who it was is not important."

I should think it is VERY important. Then one can assess the reliability of the witness.

"The fact that 2 top police officials reported it makes Kosminski a far better suspect than all the other violent lunatics out there."

Perhaps, given you wish not to discuss the witness, you could discuss these 2 top officials? The only 2 of which we are aware who even mention his name are:

1. Swanson.

2. Sir MLM.

Of these 2, the latter dismisses him in favour of Druitt. The former (in the marginalia) never explicitly endorses him, but rather seems to disambiguate the story of his candidacy. (Make of that what you will.)

By the way, where is the evidence that AK was violent? I have yet to see that.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

psychopath

Hello Corey. Thanks, this helps. You are using it in the second sense.

As far as sociopathy goes, many sociopaths do not kill. But I could never become a partner of one (heh-heh).

Most psychotics, likewise. Of course ANY form of paranoia is potentially dangerous and should be treated. But I am preaching to the choir.

Cheers.
LC

[jason_c]

Hello Jason.

"Kosminski was ID'd by a witness. JI, wasn't."

Indeed? This is great news. Can you tell me whom that witness was?

You are right that JI was not IDed. Perhaps that's because Dr. W. Julius Mickle forbade it.

Cheers.
LC

Who it was is not important. The fact that 2 top police officials reported it makes Kosminski a far better suspect than all the other violent lunatics out there.

[corey123]

Hello Lynn,

Yes, Jacob Isenschmid was a psychopath, however, you are right, it is possible. As is everything. I think I have had my bit of arguing today

Have a good evening my friend,

Corey

p.s Psychopath is psychosis, which sociopath is personality.

[lynn cates]

psychopath

Hello Corey. Perhaps we should define psychopath? When I studied psychology (many years ago) it was used as the equivalent of the modern "sociopath." Some use the word as a catch all for "psychotic."

There is little doubt in my mind that JI was paranoid schizophrenic. I'm sure I don't need to convince you that one suffering from this malady can, and sometimes does, kill.

Cheers.
LC

[corey123]

Hello Lynn,

However, you are forgetting the biggest thing in evidence against his candidacy, most killers are not psychopaths.

[lynn cates]

ID

Hello Jason.

"Kosminski was ID'd by a witness. JI, wasn't."

Indeed? This is great news. Can you tell me whom that witness was?

You are right that JI was not IDed. Perhaps that's because Dr. W. Julius Mickle forbade it.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

points

Hello Corey. Yes, a butcher would likely carry a knife. But that is what has precisely engaged many investigators since day 1. We still seek those engaged in that trade.

Yes, he was violent when psychotic, but he was frequently so. Indeed, and most importantly, he was known to be psychotic during the relevant period.

I agree, that, mentally considered, they may have been similar, but so far as we have evidence, AK never tried to kill anyone; not so JI.

Phil's point and mine is that, if half the things known about JI could be established about AK, then his supporters would yell "Case closed" in unison.

Cheers.
LC

[jason_c]

Hello Corey.

"how is he a better suspect than Kosminski?"

1. Kosminski's file says not violent. JI, violent.

2. Kosminski was not known to wander all over the city with well sharpened butcher's knives. JI did.

3. Kosminski was never found strangling a woman. JI was.

4. Kosminski was not found with trinkets wrapped up in paper. JI was.

Cheers.
LC

Kosminski was ID'd by a witness. JI, wasnt.

[corey123]

Lynn,

This is picking points. Jacob was a butcher, that explains number two. He had schizophrenia, explains four. Jacob Isenschmid was only violent while under psychosis. Either way, they are both very similiar.

[lynn cates]

do he taste test

Hello Corey.

"how is he a better suspect than Kosminski?"

1. Kosminski's file says not violent. JI, violent.

2. Kosminski was not known to wander all over the city with well sharpened butcher's knives. JI did.

3. Kosminski was never found strangling a woman. JI was.

4. Kosminski was not found with trinkets wrapped up in paper. JI was.

Cheers.
LC

[corey123]

Hello Phil,

I agree, however, Abberline did think him a viable suspect, until he was apprehended. Either way, you are correct, Isenschmid need more thought upon him. He is an interesting fellow.

Nevertheless, how is he a better suspect than Kosminski? The circumstances between the two are very similar aside from the dates of admittion to Colney Hatch.

I also wish we had the records from Bow Street Asylum. Though I am sure it would mimic the other records.

Yours truly

Corey