Isenschmid(t) Records: Part 2

[lynn cates]

religion

Hello Chris. Thanks for this.

Say, what about the "RC" under religion? Most earlier ones indicate C of E.

Cheers.
LC

[Lechmere]

I notice there is no timing for his admission and discharge on the same day in 1888

[Chris]

Islington Board of Guardians Particulars of lunacy cases (1902-1903) [ISBG/261/005, number 10].

[NB Initially I transcribed the year here as 82, and I still think it looks much more like 82 than 02. But the age recorded shows that it is indeed 02.]


24.10.02

[NOTES AS TO MENTAL CONDITION, &C]

Has a good chance [altered from change] of getting
the Chief [altered from C] Inspector of the Police's job,
he is to have the freedom
of the City & a Silver Key.
He is to get the parchment.

P.C. 619. N.
Pt. disorderly using threatening
language, arrested, he'd take
the lives of 4 women there.


[Date of Admission] 21.10.02
Jacob Isenschmidt
[Sex] M 59
[Married] Labourer
[Religion] R.C.
Mary Ann "wife"
14 Wedmore Gardens
C.P. [?]Court

[Justice of the Peace]
Mr R[u??y] Mr Ward
[Further orders and their dates]
31.10.[?]02 Reorder
[Date and Mode of Discharge]
24.10.02 Reception

[Chris]

Westminster Board of Guardians Pauper settlement examinations book (1899-1903) [WEBG/WM/047/007].


[Final Result of Enquiries]
Islington (Fo. 1502.)

[Date of Examination]
3rd June 1899
[Cause of Chargeability]
Insane

Isenschmid Jacob 56 Butcher

[Relations or Friends]
[D]aur Mrs. [Schipper - deleted] Chipper
2 [3 - deleted] [?]Avery Row.
W.
[Admitted to Workhouse [(Infirmary) - deleted]
1899
May 27th
[Sent to]
Dis 5 June 1899
To Colney Hatch

[RESIDENCES OUT OF THE UNION]

[Residence] 20 Cloudsley Place / [From / To] Liverpool Rd. / [Landlord or Witness] [([Landlord Berry - deleted]) / [Whether any Relief received during this period] 3 weeks.

[Residence] 52 Kingsbury Road / [From / To] Balls Pond Rd Islington / [Landlord or Witness] Landlord Berry / [Whether any Relief received during this period] 7 or 8 yrs left in 1886 paid Rates & taxes

[Pencil:] 52 Kingsbury Road / Balls Pond Road Islington / Landlord Berry / 7 or 8 yrs left in 1886. paid Rates & taxes


3 June 99

[EXAMINATION OF PAUPER AND WITNESSES]
Mr Chipper Son in Law. states.
Pauper been in asylum 5 times from Islington Union
the first time was from Kingsbury Rd House & it was
about the yr 1886. - Mrs. Isenschmid is living at
42 Grovedale Rd Upper Holloway. - Pauper has
lived in Islington parish a number of yrs & since
yr 1886 had lived in various streets for a few mo[nths?]
at a time. Once in Colney Hatch Asylum for
about 2 1/2 yrs. - Well Known to Officials at Islington
Union specially Mr Allan in Union Offices

[Chris]

Westminster Board of Guardians Registers of lunatics in the workhouse (1890-1913) [marked as as WEBG/WM/06/005, but actually WEBG/WM/062/005].


949

[Date of Admission to Workhouse]
May 27 [1899]

Isenschmid
Jacob

[Under what Authority received and detained, and for what period]
Police Mag:
14 days

[Date of expiry of authority for detention]
9 June

[Result of Examination on Admission]
No Marks

[Statement of opinion of Workhouse Medical Officer as to Lunatic not being, or having ceased to be, a proper person to be detained in a Workhouse, or as to fitness of Lunatic for discharge]
[Tick]

[Date of Notice to Relieving Officer with a view to the removal of the Lunatic to an Asylum]
1.6.99.

[Result of Examination on Removal]
No Marks

[Date of Removal or Discharge]
5.6.99

Colney Hatch

[under whose order or authority]
Mr Murray [?]Jr
5.6.99.

[OBSERVATIONS]
In and Out of Asylums
for 13 years -

[Chris]

Banstead Asylum Admission register, Males and Females (1889 Jul-1891 Jan) [H22/BAN/B/01/007].


3269

[Date of Admission]
[1890 Feb] 4

Jacob Isenschmid

[Male]

45

[Married]

Pork Butcher

97 Duncombe Rd.
Upper Holloway

[Chargeable to]
[Islington
Parish]

[By whose Authority]
[Lord Monkswell]

[Form of Mental Disorder]
Demented
Speech tremor

[Supposed Cause of Insanity]
[Unknown]

[Bodily Condition]
Fair.
Traces of right

[Not Epileptic, Suicidal or a Congenital Idiot, but Dangerous to others]

[Duration of existing Attacks]
1 [Year] 6 [Months]

1 [previous attack]

43 [on first attack]

[Date of Discharge, Removal, or Death]
1890
May 19

[Recovered]

[OBSERVATIONS]
[From Grove Hall
Asylum, Bow]

[Chris]

Next, Islington Board of Guardians Register of admissions of alleged lunatics to Ishmael Ward (1886 Jun - 1891 Jun) [ISBG/264/002].


Isenschmid Jacob
Mary Isenschmid (Wife)
97, Duncombe Road

44

[Admission Date]
12th
Sept
1888

Clean

[Bathed. Initial]
GH

Black eye &
Bruise on [?]Forehead

[Seen by Magistrate]
12th
Sept
1888
[Result]
Order

[Sent to Asylum]
12.9.88

Grove Hall Asylum

[Initials Chairman]
[?]JK

[Chris]

In the following posts are transcripts of some documents concerning Jacob Isenschmid, which Lynn Cates obtained from the London Metropolitan Archives and asked me to transcribe.

First, an entry in the Islington Board of Guardians Register of admissions of alleged lunatics to Ishmael Ward (1886 Jun - 1891 Jun) [marked by the LMA as ISBG/262/002, but actually ISBG/264/002].


Isenschmid Jacob.
Mrs. Isenschmid (Wife)
57, Elthorne. Road.

43

[Admission Date]
23/9/87

Clean

[Bathed. Initial]
[?]FN.

[Bruises or Marks]
None

[Seen by Magistrate]
24th
Sept
1887
[Result]
Order

[Sent to Asylum]
24/9/87

Colney Hatch

[Initials Chairman]
[?]RW

[The Good Michael]

The signature looks a lot like Hutchinson's.


Just saying....

Mike

[Lechmere]

Here is the record showing Isenschmid's admittance and discharge - both on 12th September 1888 but untimed, from the Islington, the Liverpool Road, Workhouse.
This was immediately prior to his admittance to the private Grove Hall Asylum.
Chris Scott supplied this document.
One interesting aspect about this entry is that the record for Iscenschmid is in different handwriting to all the other entries.

[lynn cates]

Chris

Hello Lechmere. Well, I have some of those. They have been sent to Chris Phillips for transcription.

Stay tuned.

Cheers.
LC

[Lechmere]

So has anyone looked for an admission and discharge from Islington?
And if he was in Grove Hall via Islington he may well have technically been under the control or supervision of Islington?

[lynn cates]

oops

Hello Lechmere. Oops. It was the night before, at 10, that Cowan and Crabb gave information about him.

But now the records show that, according to Helson, a telegram received at 6:35 next morning placed him in Holloway detained. Thick was then sent by Abberline to Holloway. In the meantime, JI was sent on to Islington and then to Grove Hall.

I regret the error. This was fast, but perhaps not so fast as I had thought.

Cheers.
LC

[Lechmere]

Within two hours he was arrested, sent to the Islington Workhouse and then transferred to Grove Hall?
It would have taken the best part of two hours to get to Grove Hall.

Maybe there was no room at Islington.
Maybe it was at the charge of the police and not the Board of Guardians - Grove Hall often took such cases.
Have you got the Islington records for his brief admission?

Maybe the Islington Workhouse Infirmary wasn't very secure. They were going on the basis that he was 'Leather Apron' after all.

Maybe they chose Grove Hall as it was at least in the East End. But they could have waited.
Maybe Islington had a regular arrangement for dangerous lunatics to always send them to Grove Hall. But again could have waited.
I think it must be that they didn't have a secure enough facility.

[lynn cates]

Slow down, you're movin' too fast . . .

Hello Lechmere. Yes, after he left the Holloway police station he was sent to the Islington workhouse infirmary; and, almost immediately to Grove Hall.

What I cannot understand is that he was not arrested until 10 PM; but, he wound up at Grove Hall same day. What was the rush?

Cheers.
LC