We have him...

[Mike Covell]

Knowing your sources

I wouldn't worry too much about that kind of thing, she actually thought a fictional book was an authentic account of the times surrounding the Whitechapel Murders!

THE PRIVATE WORLD OF ST. JOHN TERRAPIN a Novel of the cafe Royal
The fictional novel covers the life of St John Terrapin, and what he heard during his years spent at the Cafe Royal of London.
Written by fiction author and journalist Chapman Pincher this novel looks briefly at the Whitechapel Murders, as Terrapin overhears Abberline stating,

"the bloody fools killed the wrong women. Mistress Kelly is still alive!"

The plot however falls apart at this point as it is revealed that this conversation is alleged to have taken place 1 month before the murder of Mary Kelly!

Fans of Ripper related fiction will love it, but it only covers the murders in a small section, and even then it fails to report the facts. Still as it is fiction, it is worth a read.


It's one thing to discount "A rumour" but it's another thing altogether to write a book about it!

[ditlew]

Hi Tom,

This has been interresting reading. I'm looking forward to read more about 'La Grande'.

Best Regards,
Ditlew

[joelhall]

Karen Trenouth once created a blog postulating that Ripper author Ivor Edwards and myself are the same person and that we/I are involved in a cabal with Stephen Ryder and others to control the flow of evidence and information, lest someone like Karen come along and expose the 'truth' and take us off our high horses. Only half of all this is actually true, of course.

Karen's brief tenure here was the Casebook equivalent of 9/11, when everyone regardless of faction, clique, what have you, came together in the hate and ridicule of a single, alien entity. It was a beautiful thing.

Karen actually conceived, produced, published, and had ready for sale a book within about 72 hours. I'm not exaggerating, and I won't lie and say I wasn't rather impressed, in spite of how crappy the book was. I actually have a copy she sent me for free. This was before she decided I'm Ivor Edwards. I'm sure Debs contributed to her book without knowing, since virtually everything was ripped off from Casebook posters without their permission.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

poor karen doesnt seem to be popular anywhere...

http://www.masonicinfo.com/trenouth.htm

i particularly like the flawed epiphany blog.

[Tom_Wescott]

Trenouth's attacks on Le Grand are a means of striking out at me, so this should be kept in mind when considering her opinions. Also the fact that she's batshit crazy. And to top it off, she's Canadian. The poor girl never stood a chance.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Hello Tom,

Thank you for the info. I was, amazingly but true, quite unaware of this. I just saw some really interesting newspaper things.

As you know, I try to avoid all conflict, and am sometimes blissfully unaware of any past histories between people. Still, "you live and learn" as the saying goes.

Nice newspaper quotes I thought though.

best wishes, as always

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

Karen Trenouth once created a blog postulating that Ripper author Ivor Edwards and myself are the same person and that we/I are involved in a cabal with Stephen Ryder and others to control the flow of evidence and information, lest someone like Karen come along and expose the 'truth' and take us off our high horses. Only half of all this is actually true, of course.

Karen's brief tenure here was the Casebook equivalent of 9/11, when everyone regardless of faction, clique, what have you, came together in the hate and ridicule of a single, alien entity. It was a beautiful thing.

Karen actually conceived, produced, published, and had ready for sale a book within about 72 hours. I'm not exaggerating, and I won't lie and say I wasn't rather impressed, in spite of how crappy the book was. I actually have a copy she sent me for free. This was before she decided I'm Ivor Edwards. I'm sure Debs contributed to her book without knowing, since virtually everything was ripped off from Casebook posters without their permission.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Debs, Tom,

Make that 5 acres.... behind you both!

best wishes

Phil

PS Time for me to crawl back into my burrow..lol

[Debra A]

Phil, like Tom it seems too, I thought the references to JTR looked more like personal comment than anything that was reported, that's why I wondered if it was your own commentry.
The 'King of the Blackmailers' summary article was widely published in the US press and there are a couple of different versions but I just thought it a bit odd that JTR should be mentioned in the New Zealand press but not the US ones!
Now we know what KT thinks of Legrand as a suspect anyway!

[Phil Carter]

King of the Blackmailers article

Well done Debs.

I am acres behind you in researching!

best wishes

Phil

[Debra A]

King of the Blackmailers article

[Phil Carter]

Karen Trenouth. Okay, as long as the source is reliable.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Tom,

There are many articles and excerpts from newspapers.. some are long..very long.. and I don't know enough about KT to judge the writer. Except for bits of flesh on tables... but thats another subject. I was just sticking to the article references.


As always, best wishes


Phil

[Debra A]

Ah, that explains it Phil!
Tom, I'll try and give you a link to the original article

[Tom_Wescott]

I was searching around for Littlechild articles, and came across this on a site put out by K. Trenouth. The end of the article bit was, I first thought, the newspaper article. Hope that helps.

Karen Trenouth. Okay, as long as the source is reliable.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Hi Debs,

I was searching around for Littlechild articles, and came across this on a site put out by K. Trenouth. The end of the article bit was, I first thought, the newspaper article. Hope that helps.

best wishes

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

Charles Le Grand
Another man who has been inaccurately accused of being "Jack The Ripper" is Charles Le Grand, otherwise known as "Le Grand of the Strand." It has been reported that the criminal Charles Le Grand received a sentence of 20 years for fraud, blackmail and writing threatening letters to titled wealthy Ladies.

The only place I've ever seen Le Grand called 'Le Grand of the Strand' was in the title to Gerry Nixon's essay. But you're saying this came from an 1892 newspaper article?

Note: Since Jack the Ripper's murders were not motivated by theft, and he certainly did not "blow up" his victims, then, how, in any way, does this even describe Jack? Also, the papers at the time of Le Grand's arrest had this to say about it:

*It is rumored* that the police attribute the "Ripper murders" to a convict now in Portland gaol. Since when is a "rumor" considered solid evidence to convict a man of murdering at least seven prostitutes?

You mean to say all this was also part of the article? I'm not sure I've ever once seen a Victorian paper refer to the Ripper as simply 'Jack'. And why would a journal use the British spelling of 'jail' (gaol) but spell 'rumor' twice in the American way (sans 'u')?

Very interesting finds, Phil. Thank you for these. If there's anyway you could provide scans of these articles, it would be most helpful.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott