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  • Debra A
    Assistant Commissioner
    • Feb 2008
    • 3504

    #136
    Thanks Phil, I'm a little confused now and may be missing something or looking in the wrong place but I can't see JTR mentioned in the online source you quoted Bush Advocate, Volume VII, Issue 606, 2 April 1892, Page 6
    Was the JTR mention part of the first post article then?

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    • Tom_Wescott
      Commissioner
      • Feb 2008
      • 6996

      #137
      Originally posted by Phil Carter
      Charles Le Grand
      Another man who has been inaccurately accused of being "Jack The Ripper" is Charles Le Grand, otherwise known as "Le Grand of the Strand." It has been reported that the criminal Charles Le Grand received a sentence of 20 years for fraud, blackmail and writing threatening letters to titled wealthy Ladies.
      The only place I've ever seen Le Grand called 'Le Grand of the Strand' was in the title to Gerry Nixon's essay. But you're saying this came from an 1892 newspaper article?

      Originally posted by Phil Carter
      Note: Since Jack the Ripper's murders were not motivated by theft, and he certainly did not "blow up" his victims, then, how, in any way, does this even describe Jack? Also, the papers at the time of Le Grand's arrest had this to say about it:

      *It is rumored* that the police attribute the "Ripper murders" to a convict now in Portland gaol. Since when is a "rumor" considered solid evidence to convict a man of murdering at least seven prostitutes?
      You mean to say all this was also part of the article? I'm not sure I've ever once seen a Victorian paper refer to the Ripper as simply 'Jack'. And why would a journal use the British spelling of 'jail' (gaol) but spell 'rumor' twice in the American way (sans 'u')?

      Very interesting finds, Phil. Thank you for these. If there's anyway you could provide scans of these articles, it would be most helpful.

      Yours truly,

      Tom Wescott

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      • Phil Carter
        Commissioner
        • Oct 2009
        • 4270

        #138
        Hi Debs,

        I was searching around for Littlechild articles, and came across this on a site put out by K. Trenouth. The end of the article bit was, I first thought, the newspaper article. Hope that helps.

        best wishes

        Phil
        Chelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙


        Justice for the 96 = achieved
        Accountability? ....

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        • Tom_Wescott
          Commissioner
          • Feb 2008
          • 6996

          #139
          Originally posted by Phil Carter
          I was searching around for Littlechild articles, and came across this on a site put out by K. Trenouth. The end of the article bit was, I first thought, the newspaper article. Hope that helps.
          Karen Trenouth. Okay, as long as the source is reliable.

          Yours truly,

          Tom Wescott

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          • Debra A
            Assistant Commissioner
            • Feb 2008
            • 3504

            #140
            Ah, that explains it Phil!
            Tom, I'll try and give you a link to the original article

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            • Phil Carter
              Commissioner
              • Oct 2009
              • 4270

              #141
              Originally posted by Tom_Wescott View Post
              Karen Trenouth. Okay, as long as the source is reliable.

              Yours truly,

              Tom Wescott
              Tom,

              There are many articles and excerpts from newspapers.. some are long..very long.. and I don't know enough about KT to judge the writer. Except for bits of flesh on tables... but thats another subject. I was just sticking to the article references.


              As always, best wishes


              Phil
              Chelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙


              Justice for the 96 = achieved
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              • Debra A
                Assistant Commissioner
                • Feb 2008
                • 3504

                #142
                King of the Blackmailers article

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                • Phil Carter
                  Commissioner
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 4270

                  #143
                  Originally posted by Debra A View Post
                  Well done Debs.

                  I am acres behind you in researching!

                  best wishes

                  Phil
                  Chelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙


                  Justice for the 96 = achieved
                  Accountability? ....

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                  • Debra A
                    Assistant Commissioner
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 3504

                    #144
                    Phil, like Tom it seems too, I thought the references to JTR looked more like personal comment than anything that was reported, that's why I wondered if it was your own commentry.
                    The 'King of the Blackmailers' summary article was widely published in the US press and there are a couple of different versions but I just thought it a bit odd that JTR should be mentioned in the New Zealand press but not the US ones!
                    Now we know what KT thinks of Legrand as a suspect anyway!

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                    • Phil Carter
                      Commissioner
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 4270

                      #145
                      Debs, Tom,

                      Make that 5 acres.... behind you both!

                      best wishes

                      Phil

                      PS Time for me to crawl back into my burrow..lol
                      Chelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙


                      Justice for the 96 = achieved
                      Accountability? ....

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                      • Tom_Wescott
                        Commissioner
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 6996

                        #146
                        Karen Trenouth once created a blog postulating that Ripper author Ivor Edwards and myself are the same person and that we/I are involved in a cabal with Stephen Ryder and others to control the flow of evidence and information, lest someone like Karen come along and expose the 'truth' and take us off our high horses. Only half of all this is actually true, of course.

                        Karen's brief tenure here was the Casebook equivalent of 9/11, when everyone regardless of faction, clique, what have you, came together in the hate and ridicule of a single, alien entity. It was a beautiful thing.

                        Karen actually conceived, produced, published, and had ready for sale a book within about 72 hours. I'm not exaggerating, and I won't lie and say I wasn't rather impressed, in spite of how crappy the book was. I actually have a copy she sent me for free. This was before she decided I'm Ivor Edwards. I'm sure Debs contributed to her book without knowing, since virtually everything was ripped off from Casebook posters without their permission.

                        Yours truly,

                        Tom Wescott

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                        • Phil Carter
                          Commissioner
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 4270

                          #147
                          Hello Tom,

                          Thank you for the info. I was, amazingly but true, quite unaware of this. I just saw some really interesting newspaper things.

                          As you know, I try to avoid all conflict, and am sometimes blissfully unaware of any past histories between people. Still, "you live and learn" as the saying goes.

                          Nice newspaper quotes I thought though.

                          best wishes, as always

                          Phil
                          Chelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙


                          Justice for the 96 = achieved
                          Accountability? ....

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                          • Tom_Wescott
                            Commissioner
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 6996

                            #148
                            Trenouth's attacks on Le Grand are a means of striking out at me, so this should be kept in mind when considering her opinions. Also the fact that she's batshit crazy. And to top it off, she's Canadian. The poor girl never stood a chance.

                            Yours truly,

                            Tom Wescott

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                            • joelhall
                              Detective
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 485

                              #149
                              Originally posted by Tom_Wescott View Post
                              Karen Trenouth once created a blog postulating that Ripper author Ivor Edwards and myself are the same person and that we/I are involved in a cabal with Stephen Ryder and others to control the flow of evidence and information, lest someone like Karen come along and expose the 'truth' and take us off our high horses. Only half of all this is actually true, of course.

                              Karen's brief tenure here was the Casebook equivalent of 9/11, when everyone regardless of faction, clique, what have you, came together in the hate and ridicule of a single, alien entity. It was a beautiful thing.

                              Karen actually conceived, produced, published, and had ready for sale a book within about 72 hours. I'm not exaggerating, and I won't lie and say I wasn't rather impressed, in spite of how crappy the book was. I actually have a copy she sent me for free. This was before she decided I'm Ivor Edwards. I'm sure Debs contributed to her book without knowing, since virtually everything was ripped off from Casebook posters without their permission.

                              Yours truly,

                              Tom Wescott
                              poor karen doesnt seem to be popular anywhere...

                              masonicinfo.com - Karen Trenouth, Ripperologist wannabe


                              i particularly like the flawed epiphany blog.
                              if mickey's a mouse, and pluto's a dog, whats goofy?

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                              • ditlew
                                Constable
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 51

                                #150
                                Hi Tom,

                                This has been interresting reading. I'm looking forward to read more about 'La Grande'.

                                Best Regards,
                                Ditlew
                                My Personal JTR Map

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