Robert Mann - A 'New' Suspect

[dixon9]

good stuff

I am of the belief that 'jack' was probably a very cunning man,which for me also rules out Mann along with many other reasons.
At Polly's inquest Mann stated," He could not remember Insp Helson being present,as he was confused"

Not unless he was acting the fool,to throw us (121 years on) off the scent?

[lynn cates]

et alii

Hello Scarlet. Not to mention D'Onston, the chap with the gammy leg.

The best.
LC

[scarletpimpernel]

I watched Mr. Trows documentary last night. The program seemed to imply that all the ripper victims were taken to the same morgue.

Nichols was taken to the Whitechapel workhouse infirmary Morgue.

Chapman was taken to the Whitechapel workhouse infirmary Morgue.

Stride was taken to the St. George's morgue. Probably the same building Mr. Trow was walking around in the show.

Eddowes was taken to the Golden Lane Morgue.

Kelly was taken to the Shoreditch morgue.


I enjoyed the program but I just wanted to clarify this morgue information.


Tom

Tom

I got the same impression too, that all the prostitutes landed in Mann's lab but as you point out that is not right.

Lyn

I know of older people than 52. who run marathons. In that vein... we must eliminate Tumblety too. heh,heh

[lynn cates]

walk, don't run

Hello Scarlet, Granted. I was addressing my remarks to you. I could see Robert walking rather quickly, but hardly running.

The best.
LC

[John Bennett]

Lyn,

But if you read carefully... John Bennett calculations are WALKING distance.
The running was my assumption.

Indeed, Scarletpimpernel,

And those walking times are extremely approximate. That's just me covering my back, as it were!

[wisfisher]

I watched Mr. Trows documentary last night. The program seemed to imply that all the ripper victims were taken to the same morgue.

Nichols was taken to the Whitechapel workhouse infirmary Morgue.

Chapman was taken to the Whitechapel workhouse infirmary Morgue.

Stride was taken to the St. George's morgue. Probably the same building Mr. Trow was walking around in the show.

Eddowes was taken to the Golden Lane Morgue.

Kelly was taken to the Shoreditch morgue.


I enjoyed the program but I just wanted to clarify this morgue information.


Tom

[scarletpimpernel]

Lyn,

But if you read carefully... John Bennett calculations are WALKING distance.
The running was my assumption.

[Sam Flynn]

Hello Scarlet. Of course, that's contingent on a 52 year old gent being able to run at all.

... and not having a fit.

[lynn cates]

contingency

Hello Scarlet. Of course, that's contingent on a 52 year old gent being able to run at all.

The best.
LC

[scarletpimpernel]

Without wanting to get too embroiled in minutae, I have never timed these walking distances myself, and everybody walks at a different pace, obviously. According to my TomTom (and there is no reason to say these are absolutes, they're just sat-nav walking route estimates and modern day ones at that), these are the approx. walking times from the Workhouse (using Trow's 7):

To George Yard - 12 mins
To Buck's Row - 5 mins (I'd say less)
To 29 Hanbury Street - 8 mins
To Berner Street - 11 mins
To Mitre Square - 17 mins
To Dorset Street - 11 mins
To Castle Alley - 12 mins

There would obviously be a certain amount of variation owing to now non-existent shortcuts etc.

Make of it what thou wilt!

John,

Thank you for that that is quite impressive. All in all, these distances can be covered very quickly by a man running very fast and of course, not even counting the non-existent shortcuts that existed once but are no longer there.

Chris,

Please bear with me, I will have to look on this thread and read carefully who posted the link about the Whitechappel spikes being easy to dodge, as I scroll all these pages to find where I read it. Is that Okay ?

[Chris]

And a bit suspect, I think...

[John Bennett]

- 'Jack the Ripper' Uniform: See Below (Top-Hat, Cape and Gladstone Bag). Worn on at least six occasions (including one 'double event') - as 'proven' by Mr. Trow (i.e. Mr. Trow has 'proved' that 'Jack the Ripper' committed seven murders).

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Imagine Graham Chapman as 'The Colonel':

"Right! Stop that! Stop it! It started out as a perfectly good thing about workhouse uniform and now it's just got silly!"

[John Bennett]

Scarlet,

further to your question, I've just looked at the documentary. When Mei talks about distances, they seem to be from the White's Row car park, ie Dorset Street area.

But remember, the documentary is a potted (media wizz-friendly) version of the theory. So I hope my earlier walking calculations are helpful if not confidently accurate.

JB

[John Bennett]

John,

Can you tell me from the programme if I remember correctly that the distance between the workhouse and the mortuary were about 3 to 5 minutes walk from the scene of the crimes ?

Without wanting to get too embroiled in minutae, I have never timed these walking distances myself, and everybody walks at a different pace, obviously. According to my TomTom (and there is no reason to say these are absolutes, they're just sat-nav walking route estimates and modern day ones at that), these are the approx. walking times from the Workhouse (using Trow's 7):

To George Yard - 12 mins
To Buck's Row - 5 mins (I'd say less)
To 29 Hanbury Street - 8 mins
To Berner Street - 11 mins
To Mitre Square - 17 mins
To Dorset Street - 11 mins
To Castle Alley - 12 mins

There would obviously be a certain amount of variation owing to now non-existent shortcuts etc.

Make of it what thou wilt!

[Chris]

I believe that is your own quote about it.

What I'm asking for is the source of your claim that "there are reports that the Whitechapel workhouse was one of the easiest spikes to go in and out unnoticed."

The paragraph you've just quoted from my post doesn't even mention Whitechapel workhouse, or going in and out unnoticed, or in fact anything relevant to what you said, so that can't be it, can it? (And of course, you have omitted the following paragraph of my post, that explains that "ins and outs" were people who discharged themselves repeatedly from the workhouse - quite different from Robert Mann, who was a long-term inmate.)

So where did your claim come from? Is it from the Jack London book, where there is a remark about Whitechapel being "the easiest spike goin'". If so, as I've already pointed out, the remark refers to the rigour with which new admissions were searched. There is no mention of it being easy to go in and out of the workhouse unnoticed. On the contrary, London's fellow inmates warned him that if he were caught trying to escape he would face 14 days' imprisonment, and that he would never be able to re-enter the workhouse.