Did The Ripper Die Shortly After His Last Kill?

[celee]

Hi,

One thing I forgot to mention in my last post. Simply put, Jack the Ripper died in 1903.

Hi Glenn,

Hope you have been well.

Your friend, Brad

[Nothing to see]

Hey. This is so interesting speaking with people who are 'into' Jack and know what they're talking about.

The 'cooling off period' yes but why? Jack explodes onto the scene then he vanishes. Why? I just can't envisage Jack going no, I won't murder any more. I definitely believe Kelly was Jack's swansong. 2 serial murderers at work in the same area at the same time with similar MO's?

Jack couldn't have just given up. He was so into his jollies I just can't believe he'd go "I won't kill any more.'

Why don't you think Kelly was Jack's get? He'd been leading up to this since the start. IMO.

[celee]

Hi Nothing to see,

Aright since you are being so nice I will stop joking around. It all depends on who your suspect is and the motive for the killings. For Example, if you believe Druitt was the Ripper and the killings were sexually motivated then of course he would not just be able to quit. Druitt drowned. Now say that your suspect was Tumblety, who was in his late 50s when the Ripper murders took place and he too was a sexual serial killer then I think it is possible for someone who is such an advanced age to curve his lust.

What if the Ripper was harvesting organs. Abberline suggest this in the press. If he was Harvesting Organs for himself or someone else he very well may have been able to stop when the police began to move in or he may have obtained all the organs he needed.

Without motive and a suspect, it is hard to say why the Ripper stoped.

Your friend, Brad

[ianincleveland]

Im not entirely convinced Kelly was a JTR victim,same goes for Stride.but Eddowes,Chapman and Nicholls are for certain.There may be others in other places before or after these of course.If you think about Sutcliffe,though he sometimes killed within very short periods of time he could also go months before killing,and he wasnt locked up or in a foreign land.Ive wondered whether like Sutcliffe claimed JTR heard voices to tell him to go out and kill and obviously if these voices went away then he probably appeared quite normal.In fact its almost certain that outwardly JTR was a normal quiet inoffensive guy.But if he hearsd voices telling him to butcher women or perhaps particularly prostitutes and those vopices lay dormant after his last murder,be that Kelly or Eddowes,he never felt the need to kill again.

off topic i think sutcliffe lied about the voices and knew exactly what he was doing but thats another subject

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

The 'cooling off period' yes but why? Jack explodes onto the scene then he vanishes. Why? I just can't envisage Jack going no, I won't murder any more.

Why not? As I said, other people have done it. Dennis Rader stopped and it was only because he was provoced in the media years afterwards that he started thinging about taking it up again (he was caught before he did that, though).
The thing is, we can't know why serial killers have long cooling off periods or why they stop, but to say that they definitely can't stop on their own is totally wrong and one of ther worst misconceptions there is.

I definitely believe Kelly was Jack's swansong. 2 serial murderers at work in the same area at the same time with similar MO's?

Well, I don't want to diverge the thread in this direction and I (along with some others) have several times explained the thought s and 'evidence' regarding this on other threads.
Let me just say that there most likely were other mutilating killers (possibly also serial killers) roaming the same area in the 1870s and 80s (the torso killings) and the fact that we also have two other serial killers close after the Ripper murders (Klosowski and Neil Cream) is proof of that it is perfectly possible for several serial killers can haunt the same area in a short time span, although they may not have the same modus operandi.

Secondly, there is no actual evidence of that the Kelly murder was the work of a serial killer. On the contrary, the gross mutilations on Kelly are not far from the most extreme cases of domestic homicides, where mutilations, facial destruction and butchery that are known and the injuries a result of the personal nature of the crime.
Kelly also had two men in her closest relations that may have had personal motives for the murder. The 600 fake Ripper letters, most of them probably penned by otherwise seemingly 'ordinary' people indiocates that the Ripper crimes influenced people at the time in a way we have difficult to relate to today and the authorites were also very much concerned about this.
The killer of Kelly also didn't really show much similarites with the Ripper. Kelly was simply butchered in a crude manner with no real sophistication or direction, her heart was taken and not the womb etc. If it was supposed to be a Ripper crime it was indeed a very bad copy.
The point is: don't be too sure of things. There is nothing 'definite' here.
The idea of Kelly as the Ripper's grand finale is most likely one of the worst myth ever surrounding the case.
But that is for another thread.

And even if Kelly was the work of the Ripper, we can't be sure of that it was his last one. There were other murders after this, although not of the same magnitude.
My own personal view is, however, that he for some reason stopped after Eddowes. Also note there were no murders in October.

All the best

[celee]

Hi,

Here in Daytona, we have a serial killer who seems to strike very random. Maybe he is killing else were, who knows. Without Motive who can tell why a serial killer stops.

Your friend, Brad

[Nothing to see]

Hi Nothing to see,

Aright since you are being so nice I will stop joking around. It all depends on who your suspect is and the motive for the killings. For Example, if you believe Druitt was the Ripper and the killings were sexually motivated then of course he would not just be able to quit. Druitt drowned. Now say that your suspect was Tumblety, who was in his late 50s when the Ripper murders took place and he too was a sexual serial killer then I think it is possible for someone who is such an advanced age to curve his lust.

What if the Ripper was harvesting organs. Abberline suggest this in the press. If he was Harvesting Organs for himself or someone else he very well may have been able to stop when the police began to move in or he may have obtained all the organs he needed.

Without motive and a suspect, it is hard to say why the Ripper stoped.

Your friend, Brad

Hey I'm not trying to be nice, I'm trying to be polite. I guess they're the same.

I don't believe Jack was harvesting organs, Sorry, but I don't.

Jack was murdering for his jollies. Druitt is a non starter. I think. Sounded good, looked good on paper but..no.


Tumblety is just so out of the box I don't know where to begin.

No. Not JTR. IMO.

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

I don't think the Ripper harvested any organs either for a certain purprose (they were most likely taken as trophees and nothing else and not the main object).

I would seriously recommend that people stopped paying too much attention to what Abberline said in a dubious newspaper interview several years after the events.

All the best

[celee]

Hi,

This is not the thread to discuss suspects. Who was Jack the Ripper? We all have our opinions. Read the post and think before you reply. If you read my post then you should relize that I am not putting forth a suspect or a motive. I was explaining how diffrent suspects and different motives could lead to different reasons why the Ripper quit.

Simply put, without a motive and without a certain killer we have no way of determining why the Ripper quit.

Again, not the place to discuss this but the Abberline interview is a great source of insight into what the lead Detective was thinking.

I wish some people would stop jumping at every post in a negative way.

Your friend, Brad

[Nothing to see]

Hey. I didn't mention suspects. You did. But it's OK.

Sorry if you think I'm being negative. I don't believe I am.

[celee]

Hey I'm not trying to be nice, I'm trying to be polite. I guess they're the same.

I don't believe Jack was harvesting organs, Sorry, but I don't.

Jack was murdering for his jollies. Druitt is a non starter. I think. Sounded good, looked good on paper but..no.


Tumblety is just so out of the box I don't know where to begin.

No. Not JTR. IMO.

Simply put , I was pointing out that different suspects an different motives would lead to a different conclusion on why the Ripper murders stopped.

In your post, you shoot down Druitt, Tumblety, The organ harvesting theory and the idea that you are being nice. I mean you misssed the total point of my post.

Your friend, Brad

[Nothing to see]

Simply put , I was pointing out that different suspects an different motives would lead to a different conclusion on why the Ripper murders stopped.

In your post, you shoot down Druitt, Tumblety, The organ harvesting theory and the idea that you are being nice. I mean you misssed the total point of my post.

Your friend, Brad

OK. What is the total point of your post that I have missed?

Brad, I've just started posting here and I don't want to cause problems.

If you don't want me to be nice replying to you I can do that.

You have your opinions. I have mine.

[Mascara & Paranoia]

I'm gonna have to make a list of possibilities otherwise I'll forget.

Suicide - Jack doesn't seem like the suicidal type to me. At all. So if he did die, that's 99% not the way he perished.

Illness - This is a convenient excuse to explain away why he quit IMO. Having said that though, it could be a (albeit clichéd) motive for his killings in the first place. I'm not convinced.

Incarcerated - Probable. Of course if that was the case then it was for something else other than the Whitechapel murders, maybe even a 'normal' murder, but definitely not a big cover-up or conspiracy. That's ridiculous.

Those are the only reasons I can think of at the top of my head, other than dying under under circumstances other than suicide or suffering an illness. Maybe his bad karma caught up with him and he got killed in a street brawl or something? Who knows.

I can't find the effort to go really in-depth with this because there's nothing we can factually conclude other than speculation.

[Nothing to see]

I'm gonna have to make a list of possibilities otherwise I'll forget.

Suicide - Jack doesn't seem like the suicidal type to me. At all. So if he did die, that's 99% not the way he perished.

Illness - This is a convenient excuse to explain away why he quit IMO. Having said that though, it could be a (albeit clichéd) motive for his killings in the first place. I'm not convinced.

Incarcerated - Probable. Of course if that was the case then it was for something else other than the Whitechapel murders, maybe even a 'normal' murder, but definitely not a big cover-up or conspiracy. That's ridiculous.

Those are the only reasons I can think of at the top of my head, other than dying under under circumstances other than suicide or suffering an illness. Maybe his bad karma caught up with him and he got killed in a street brawl or something? Who knows.

I can't find the effort to go really in-depth with this because there's nothing we can factually conclude other than speculation.

Hey I agree with you. I don't think Jack committed suicide. I think he died and that's just IMO.

If Jack surfaced somewhere else, in England or another continent, would he change his style of killing? I don't get Abberline's endorsement of Klosowski as Jack. Ripping with a knife then poisoning?

[Mascara & Paranoia]

If Jack surfaced somewhere else, in England or another continent, would he change his style of killing? I don't get Abberline's endorsement of Klosowski as Jack. Ripping with a knife then poisoning?

Exactly. Two completely different beasts.

What I realize is that people get a preferred suspect in mind, either because they like their name, their look or the romanticism connected to the case or whatever, and then they clutch at straws to try and legitimately connect the dots and fail (and in some cases miserably - I mean, Druitt? He wasn't even a murderer). It's the same with Fleming and Kelly. He was insane, okay, he was romantically involved with Kelly, okay. Was he capable of inflicting even worse mutilations and damage than Jack the Ripper? No.

Sorry to go off topic but the opportunity to vent presented itself.

I think Jack either died or was incarcerated. Hell, maybe even both!