Did The Ripper Die Shortly After His Last Kill?

[Mascara & Paranoia]

Depends what you're looking for, really. Personally, of the named suspects, I don't think we can do much better than an individual who moved into the heart of the district in August 1888, was reported to have ill-used the most brutally murdered victim in the series, who had a history of criminal activity, and who was ultimately committed to a lunatic asylum where he spent the rest of his days.

Not enough to stand up in court, but he's more plausible than any identified suspect I've heard about.

Then you've got a fair and valid point. Going by that, he is probably the most likeliest out of all the suspects, the only thing being is that I don't think the killer's identity is amongst that lot. So I think we'll have to agree to disagree on our views about Fleming being the Ripper.

[Mascara & Paranoia]

I don't think we can rule out suicide: as problematic as the Druitt story is, the basic idea that the family figured it out and it ended in a suicide (or even "assisted" suicide) seems pretty plausible to me.

The 'assisted' suicide speculation seems more likely than Jack actually topping himself, and even that's far-fetched (no offence ;p).

The thing about Jack killing himself is that there's enough proof to suggest that he actually valued his life. He did not want to be caught. Look at all the people suspected of being the Ripper because of his secrecy, all the myths, he's even a Hollywood icon because of the mystery surrounding his identity. If he didn't value his life then he would've been caught either of his own volition or due to carelessness.

If one thing, this proves that he didn't have a narcissitic personality.

[Nicola]

Hello,all.

JTR was a murderous freak who quite liked what he was doing. I don't believe for one moment he would have been able to control his hellish urges for any long amount of time. I used to entertain the idea that he might have,for lack of a better term,gorged himself with MJK. But he liked to kill. So I think he would've gotten up to more murder.

My fav theory is that he met the wrong working girl and she gave him what for with a sharp blade of her own!


Maybe the police knew exactly who he was but the evidence wasn't strong enough for an arrest. So they dropped a wee hint to the vigilantes,so they could do what the police legally couldn't.JTR also could have tried again,the woman raised the alarm,and he went down as just another victim of a WC street attack. If these scenarios didn't happen,he had to be imprisoned or died soon after. I'm no profiler,but I think a nut who operated at this level of violence and viciousness,doesn't appear to have any self control,like a BTK type.JTR committing suicide doesn't work for me,either. These cowardly types are quite fond of their miserable lives.

[Mascara & Paranoia]

My fav theory is that he met the wrong working girl and she gave him what for with a sharp blade of her own!

That would've been poetic justice!

I was watching Whitechapel last night and there was a scene where someone visited MJK's grave and I thought: somewhere out there is a man's grave and no-one is none the wiser that he was Jack the Ripper. It's a weird thought to think that his remains are out there somewhere and no-one knows of their 'value'. He could be buried under literally anywhere.

[Mort Belfry]

Given the scale of Kelly's murder I would say the Ripper would probably be able to hold off not killing for a longer period of time, masturbating over the Miller's Court scene for quite probably months as he had finally achieved his objective. This is probably why he also didn't take his favoured organs, uterus or kidney, as the prolonged memory of the night would be more tangible than a trophy in this case.

So I would be looking at deaths up to around March/April 1889.

[BLUE WIZZARD]

Jack was not the type of man to quit, he enjoyed it to much.

BW

[Christine]

The 'assisted' suicide speculation seems more likely than Jack actually topping himself, and even that's far-fetched (no offence ;p).

The thing about Jack killing himself is that there's enough proof to suggest that he actually valued his life. He did not want to be caught. Look at all the people suspected of being the Ripper because of his secrecy, all the myths, he's even a Hollywood icon because of the mystery surrounding his identity. If he didn't value his life then he would've been caught either of his own volition or due to carelessness.

If one thing, this proves that he didn't have a narcissitic personality.

Well, the question is what he would have done if faced with arrest and almost certain hanging. He might prefer to beat the police to it. Or consider the possibility that he thought he had supernatural powers, or was protected from the police by something. He might be shook when confronted directly with the probability of arrest, or even think that God would resurrect him. All speculative and based on not enough information, I agree. I still think the family privately locking him up somehow is much more likely.

[Christine]

Jack was not the type of man to quit, he enjoyed it to much.

BW

How do you know this? How do you know, for example, that he wasn't "forced by demons" to kill? If I had to take bets, I'd bet that he got some sort of sexual gratification out of it and did enjoy it, but I don't rule out other possibilities.

[BLUE WIZZARD]

How do you know this? How do you know, for example, that he wasn't "forced by demons" to kill? If I had to take bets, I'd bet that he got some sort of sexual gratification out of it and did enjoy it, but I don't rule out other possibilities.

Christine,

You have no argument from me, I just do not think that he would have quit.

BW

[Mort Belfry]

Jack was not the type of man to quit, he enjoyed it to much.

BW

Who suggested that he did quit?

[Nothing to see]

He died, he was incarcerated/committed, he emigrated. I don't think he just stopped. He was stopped.

[BLUE WIZZARD]

Mort Belfry & Nothing to see,

Again you have no argument from me, I just do not think that he would have quit.

I can not make it any more clear, I just do not think that he would have quit.

What part of this do you not understand?

BW

[Mort Belfry]

Mort Belfry & Nothing to see,

Again you have no argument from me, I just do not think that he would have quit.

I can not make it any more clear, I just do not think that he would have quit.

What part of this do you not understand?

BW

I didn't express that I misunderstood anything. I also do not think that he would have quit at least under his own volition. My question was what made you bring that up? I just couldn't find the post that set you off.

What part of that did you not understand? Because I can offer help with interpretation if needed.

Of course I can withdraw the question if it totally unmuzzles your deep-seated anger and sets you stomping about on a warpath of wanton destruction.

[JacknJill]

That's a brilliant idea, I think I might run a search just to have a look myself. But I always thought that maybe there's a possibility that he reached what several killers call their "satisfaction point". When they've finally killed enough and feel they don't need to anymore. Maybe he reached his own level.

[JacknJill]

And I don't mean he 'quit' or just 'stopped'. I mean more along the lines of completed or something like that...