Mr Blotchy

[jerryd]

Looks like Halfmoon Street where Dirty Dicks was located was on the west side of Bishopsgate Street and Artillery Lane. Right at the Liverpool Station.

[DJA]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Dirty_Dicks_-_Bishopsgate_-_EC2.jpg

[jerryd]

I'm not sure that's the place he went, Jerry. This excerpt mentions him going towards Bishopsgate and then as far as Dirty Dick's, which (today at least) is no. 202 Bishopsgate.

"That friend is Mrs. Mary Chappell, who lives at 28 Stewart street, near by. Her story corroborates Mrs. Fiddymont's, and is more particular. When the man came in, the expression of his eyes caught her attention, his look was so startling and terrifying. It frightened Mrs. Fiddymont so that she requested Mrs. Chappell to stay. He wore a light blue check shirt, which was torn badly, into rags in fact, on the right shoulder. There was a narrow streak of blood under his right ear, parallel with the edge of his shirt. There was also dried blood between the fingers of his hand. When he went out she slipped out by the other door, and watched him as he went towards Bishopsgate street. She called Joseph Taylor's attention to him, and Taylor followed him. Joseph Taylor is a builder, of 22 Stewart street. He states that as soon as his attention was attracted to the man he followed him. He walked rapidly, and came alongside the man, but did not speak to him. The man was rather thin, about 5ft 8in high, and apparently between 40 and 50 years of age. He had a shabby genteel look, pepper and salt trousers, which fitted badly and dark coat. When Taylor came alongside him the man glanced at him, and Taylor says, "His eyes were as wild as a hawk's." The man walked holding his coat together at the top. He had a nervous and frightened way about him. He had a light moustache and short sandy hair. Taylor ceased to follow him, but watched him as far as "Dirty Dick's" in Halfmoon street, where he became lost to view"

Taylor's description doesn't sound much like either Blotchy or Cleary.

You're correct Joshua. I was just looking at it again and saw the Dirty Dick's reference.

[Joshua Rogan]

I believe it refers to Halfmoon Passage, which was directly south across Whitechapel Road from the entrance to Castle Alley. Incidentally, after passing through this passage to the other side (south side) you arrive at the Whitechapel Board of Works Office (Great Alie Steet) and behind that, the home of Albert Bachert.

I'm not sure that's the place he went, Jerry. This excerpt mentions him going towards Bishopsgate and then as far as Dirty Dick's, which (today at least) is no. 202 Bishopsgate.

"That friend is Mrs. Mary Chappell, who lives at 28 Stewart street, near by. Her story corroborates Mrs. Fiddymont's, and is more particular. When the man came in, the expression of his eyes caught her attention, his look was so startling and terrifying. It frightened Mrs. Fiddymont so that she requested Mrs. Chappell to stay. He wore a light blue check shirt, which was torn badly, into rags in fact, on the right shoulder. There was a narrow streak of blood under his right ear, parallel with the edge of his shirt. There was also dried blood between the fingers of his hand. When he went out she slipped out by the other door, and watched him as he went towards Bishopsgate street. She called Joseph Taylor's attention to him, and Taylor followed him. Joseph Taylor is a builder, of 22 Stewart street. He states that as soon as his attention was attracted to the man he followed him. He walked rapidly, and came alongside the man, but did not speak to him. The man was rather thin, about 5ft 8in high, and apparently between 40 and 50 years of age. He had a shabby genteel look, pepper and salt trousers, which fitted badly and dark coat. When Taylor came alongside him the man glanced at him, and Taylor says, "His eyes were as wild as a hawk's." The man walked holding his coat together at the top. He had a nervous and frightened way about him. He had a light moustache and short sandy hair. Taylor ceased to follow him, but watched him as far as "Dirty Dick's" in Halfmoon street, where he became lost to view"

Taylor's description doesn't sound much like either Blotchy or Cleary.

[jerryd]

Was there another Halfmoon Street in the Whitechapel area ?

Rgds
Craig

Hi Craig,

I believe it refers to Halfmoon Passage, which was directly south across Whitechapel Road from the entrance to Castle Alley. Incidentally, after passing through this passage to the other side (south side) you arrive at the Whitechapel Board of Works Office (Great Alie Steet) and behind that, the home of Albert Bachert.

[Chava]

["We", don't need to see their names.
This report indicates the police had their names. This round of interviews must have been warranted due to Hutchinson coming forward with his story on the 12th. So on the 13th?, the police interviewed all the residents, then the story appears on the 14th, as it did.

They wouldn't be called to the inquest because Maxwell, who was, said Kelly was alive at 9 o'clock Friday morning, plus the earliest time she could have been killed was after 3 o'clock that morning. These witnesses are confirming Hutchinson's story, which was not known at the time of the inquest.

I’m sorry but I think we do. And owing to the condition of the body we have no clear time of death. Also I think we are putting too much on the cry of murder. What we have with Blotchy is a similar-sounding man with 2 of the 5 victims as well as with another prostitute not that far away who was attacked at the throat. I’m pretty sure that policemen would have canvassed the whole court before the inquest and they put up witnesses who gave various accounts—some conflicting—to the coroner. If they had credible witnesses to her being alive and in the court around 3.00 am I think they would have used them. Also, even if she danced the jig in Miller’s Court playing her violin that still would not disprove the possibility of Blotchy, still in there, waiting for her to get undressed, get into bed and start going to sleep. When even a tall strapping young woman like that would be vulnerable and unable to defend herself.

[Abby Normal]

If Hutchinson was telling the truth, why would Astrakhan man go on to kill Mary after being seen (close up) by Hutchinson? Pretty ballsy but not real smart.

A lie by Hutchinson would simply be that. A lie. It does not necessarily make him Mary's killer.

c.d.

Cd
Unless you don’t think any of the witnesses saw the ripper, then the ripper was seen well by many people before he went on to kill.

No, a lie by hutch isn’t as simple as that. It would put him as suspect number one by any detective worth his salt.

[c.d.]

Does Lawende's description match what Kosminski as a Polish Jew most likely would have looked like, i.e., dark complected?

c.d.

[c.d.]

If Hutchinson was telling the truth, why would Astrakhan man go on to kill Mary after being seen (close up) by Hutchinson? Pretty ballsy but not real smart.

A lie by Hutchinson would simply be that. A lie. It does not necessarily make him Mary's killer.

c.d.

[Craig H]

Hi Abby.

Joseph Taylor described the man leaving fiddymont's as having a long ginger-coloured mustache that curled at the ends. [Star, 10 Sep].

I've wondered if there was a connection between Blotchy and John Cleary, the man who visits the Herald's London office in 1889. I remember that man being described as having a boil on his face

Robert mentioned Joseph Taylor who followed a suspicious person (details : http://wiki.casebook.org/index.php/Joseph_Taylor ) from the Prince Alfred Public House in Brushfield street.

The testimony says Taylor followed him to Half-moon Street. The only Half-moon Street I can find is near Hyde Park which seems a long distance from Brushfield St.

Was there another Halfmoon Street in the Whitechapel area ?

Rgds
Craig

[GUT]

So Barnett, hutch, blotchy, Aman and misterX ?!? Wow busy girl.

But seriously, why couldn’t she had fish and chips with blotchy?

May even have been what was in his pail.

[Abby Normal]

"We", don't need to see their names.
This report indicates the police had their names. This round of interviews must have been warranted due to Hutchinson coming forward with his story on the 12th. So on the 13th?, the police interviewed all the residents, then the story appears on the 14th, as it did.

They wouldn't be called to the inquest because Maxwell, who was, said Kelly was alive at 9 o'clock Friday morning, plus the earliest time she could have been killed was after 3 o'clock that morning. These witnesses are confirming Hutchinson's story, which was not known at the time of the inquest.

The earliest she could have been killed was around one am.

[Abby Normal]

Kosminski is as bad a suspect as Druitt. Accused by officials many years after-the-fact. Absolutely no evidence of any kind to place either of them anywhere near a crime scene.
Druitt even has the edge over Kosminski because of the supposed "confession" letter. No such accusation exists for Kosminski, and Kos was only 23 at the time, far too young for any of the witness description accounts.

Nah. Three police name him and he’s the only suspect with any kind of direct evidence... the possible positive ID. Age would be hard to determine, he could have looked older than his years.

Druit has nothing going for him but rumors of rumors.

[Abby Normal]

Mary went out after Aman, someone bought her fish and chips.

So Barnett, hutch, blotchy, Aman and misterX ?!? Wow busy girl.

But seriously, why couldn’t she had fish and chips with blotchy?

[GUT]

"We", don't need to see their names.
This report indicates the police had their names. This round of interviews must have been warranted due to Hutchinson coming forward with his story on the 12th. So on the 13th?, the police interviewed all the residents, then the story appears on the 14th, as it did.

They wouldn't be called to the inquest because Maxwell, who was, said Kelly was alive at 9 o'clock Friday morning, plus the earliest time she could have been killed was after 3 o'clock that morning. These witnesses are confirming Hutchinson's story, which was not known at the time of the inquest.

Why wast Maurice Lewis called though???