Naming Pierre's Suspect

[Robert St Devil]

Has this been touched on already? The significance given to the name ,,jack,,

Does thst mean the suspect is connected with ,,dear boss,, and/or ,,saucy jacky,,?

[Elamarna]

Has this been touched on already? The significance given to the name ,,jack,,

Does thst mean the suspect is connected with ,,dear boss,, and/or ,,saucy jacky,,?

given pierre has said the dear boss letter is a fake, unlikely.

steve

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby

I am sure the name will never be given.

while one must of course accept a denial at face value, remember that it was denied he was a police official too at one stage.

you may be right, who knows.

Steve

hi steve

your right. who the **** knows?

[Rosella]

I distinctly remember Pierre posting in one of his early posts that his suspect was known at the time and must be somewhat known today, as he implied that the British public would be saddened to find out that he was Jack. Now MM is virtually unknown today, I would suggest, except among we few JTR followers, and as for other police officials, I doubt very much that Anderson, Swanson et al were even known by the British public in their own time. Pierre's suspect as police official seems to be a Shape Shifter, dependent on Pierre's definition at the time.

[GUT]

I distinctly remember Pierre posting in one of his early posts that his suspect was known at the time and must be somewhat known today, as he implied that the British public would be saddened to find out that he was Jack. Now MM is virtually unknown today, I would suggest, except among we few JTR followers, and as for other police officials, I doubt very much that Anderson, Swanson et al were even known by the British public in their own time. Pierre's suspect as police official seems to be a Shape Shifter, dependent on Pierre's definition at the time.

Yep I personally doubt he will ever come up with a name, let alone a name that meets every hint he has ever thrown out there.

[Mayerling]

I distinctly remember Pierre posting in one of his early posts that his suspect was known at the time and must be somewhat known today, as he implied that the British public would be saddened to find out that he was Jack. Now MM is virtually unknown today, I would suggest, except among we few JTR followers, and as for other police officials, I doubt very much that Anderson, Swanson et al were even known by the British public in their own time. Pierre's suspect as police official seems to be a Shape Shifter, dependent on Pierre's definition at the time.

Hi Rosella,

Actually most of the characters involved in this case are very faint ghosts to the world at large in 2016, except for the unknown killer under his/her alias, and the canonical five victims (maybe). But this is true in most murder cases. For example, in the Crippen case, how many people recall the couple who were the last to see Cora and Hawley together after a dinner party evening. Their last name was Martinelli, and they were theatre people. I am certain that most people don't recall them.

Jeff

[Rosella]

This is true, Mayerling, and sometimes the victim disappears into the background too. It was said about the 1922 Bywaters-Thompson murder trial, that the love affair of the participants and the vivacity of Enid Thompson almost wrote the dull and irritable victim, Percy Thompson, out of the picture altogether.

All the same, Pierre stated that his suspect was known at the time and known today. He more or less implied that he was a figure who was quite loved by the British people, who would be startled and shocked by his being unmasked as Jack. I remember joking at the time that it was obviously Arthur Conan Doyle.

[Kattrup]

All the same, Pierre stated that his suspect was known at the time and known today. He more or less implied that he was a figure who was quite loved by the British people, who would be startled and shocked by his being unmasked as Jack. I remember joking at the time that it was obviously Arthur Conan Doyle.

I think Pierre stated that his suspect was well-known at the time, but not today.

He also stated that his suspect was a police official, and it was this last fact that, according to him, would cause great shock to the public.

So as an individual, his suspect is not necessarily liked and respected, but Pierre felt the public would react badly to unmasking a police official as Jack the Ripper, since the police as institution is liked and respected.

I think he's completely wrong, and nobody would actually care. I tried searching for his post, but sifting through 500 posts with the keyword 'police' was rather tiresome.

[Robert St Devil]

Ros & all. I think pierre has someone in mind, considering everything i,ve read since last year. I doubt that he believes it is McNaughten. Steve gave me some ,police official, ideas outside of the Metropolitan - City Police and City of London Corporation. I had to look up the 2nd one he mentioned bc they were never mentioned much in my high school texas history classes... actually, never mentioned. I didn,t know that they were the one,s incolved with the lord mayor,s day. However... it put me to thinking outside of the casebox again.

More along the lines of... his suspect could be someone who was known for their official role, like Sheriff of London (for example), which might sadden the British public.

That, or a person with ,,sir,, appended to his name.

[Elamarna]

Robert et al,

The only definite thing we were told his that he was a police official, if the word official rather than officer has any significant value we do not know.

We could therefore look at any police officer in any force in the uk.

I do not think that will be of any help!

Given Pierre's moral position on the issue of naming someone, which I respect if that is his sincere belief, it is inconceivable that even if the person was named it would be conceded.

It is a pointless task.

What Craig hoped for when he posted this thread I think, was for people to look at the "clues" which have been posted, agree or disagree that the clues had been used fairly and accurately and finally to compare those against the the most likely person from his research who matched those "clues"

I think it is fair to say that on the whole that has not happened.

Still I think Craig's post was worthwhile ( of course I would say that given I had an input on the research.) and His research on individual police officers is a good starting point for anyone wishing to look at any of them.

regards

Steve

[Pcdunn]

Hi, Steve,

Yes, but is an "official" the same as an "officer", do you think? If Pierre doesn't mean a policeman in either uniform or plain clothes, then wouldn't someone higher up in the organization make more sense?

[Fleetwood Mac]

Seven months ago, Pierre claimed he had evidence identifying the Ripper.

While he would not name his suspect, Steve and I used the clues he provided to evaluate the potential suspects.

The only person that matched his clues is Sir Melville Macnaghten.

We need to emphasise neither Steve or I believe Macnaghten was the Ripper.

The purpose of this thread is to show how Macnaghten matches Pierre’s clues and seek feedback on whether others see it is a fit.

Firstly, Pierre said the person was a Police Official, as was Macnaghten.

His person had lived in several high status homes. Macnaghten came from a wealthy family and lived in large houses with servants at various points in his life.

Pierre’s suspect met Bowyer at Whitechapel. This means the person could not have been a Police official from outside London. It is unlikely a wealthy police official stayed at Bowyer’s residences. While they may have met informally, we would not know that 120 years later unless Pierre has personal written correspondence between them. The only way they could have met is through the Police interviewing Bowyer due to the murders.

Pierre said his suspect was not with Scotland Yard. Technically speaking, this applies to Macnaghten who joined Scotland Yard after the murders.

Pierre’s suspect was born before 1858, was well educated and lived outside Whitechapel – Macnaghten was born in 1853, studied at Eton and lived at Chelsea in 1888.

Pierre’s suspect had a strong reason to embarrass the Police establishment. Macnaghten was snubbed, overlooked and humiliated, if not publically at least in his social circle, by Warren who overturned the job offer from Monro. Warren and Monro (Macnaghten's friend) were in constant conflict.

Pierre said the murder dates are connected to JTR’s personal motive : the first murder (Nichols) occurred near Monro’s resignation; Kelly’s killing near Warren’s resignation. Macnaghten’s father died in December.

Pierre’s suspect had medical knowledge, but was not a doctor: Macnaghten was an active animal hunter in India, which involved cutting and skinning killed animals.

Pierre said the name “Jack” had a meaning to JTR: Macnaghten’s memoirs described hunting jackals in India – the pastime he called “catch a jack”.

Pierre highlighted that Monro knew the murderer and said he should have been caught : It would certainly have been a “hot potato” (as quoted by Monro’s son) if the Ripper was revealed as a leading Police Official who had received a royal medal (The King’s Police Medal).

Pierre said naming his suspect would embarrass British Institutions : Macnaghten was a senior Police Leader and had received awards from Royalty.

So just confirming, I don’t think Macnaghten was the Ripper. The question is does Macnaghten fit the “profile” of the clues provided by Pierre ?

If so, we believe this should finally put to rest the mystery of Pierre’s suspect.

Abberline. Look back through his posts.

[Elamarna]

Abberline. Look back through his posts.

Hi Fleetwood,

interesting idea, which posts suggest this to you?

Obviously not exactly, but which rough ideas.

Abberline does not seem to meet many of the clues that have been provided, around 50% but anything is possible is it not?

cheers

Steve

[Elamarna]

Hi, Steve,

Yes, but is an "official" the same as an "officer", do you think? If Pierre doesn't mean a policeman in either uniform or plain clothes, then wouldn't someone higher up in the organization make more sense?

Hi Pat,

it may do, and I think the assumption has been that it suggests a higher person, but honestly how do we know?

Where would we draw the line? inspector? superintendent?, assistant commissioners? chief constables?

it still gives a very large pool to look at, unless you go for the very top positions.

Steve

[CommercialRoadWanderer]

Considering the quality of Pierre's reasoning in the thread about the ripper's profession, i doubt that there is really that much else to say about his suspect.

Surely, in spite of his criticism of the Lechmere theory, he is not above streching things to make them fit to his assumptions. That might be useful to write a novel about Jack, but not much else.