Naming Pierre's Suspect

[Geddy2112]

Was Macnaghten a Free Mason?

[Elamarna]

Hi Pierre.

Watching a cricket match. However its lunch so will respond briefly.

It was made clear in the intial post by Craig and my follow up that we do not believe he was JTR, and the exercise undertaken mainly by Craig has not looked at his candiditure for such.

That was not the point of Craigs thread.

It was to compare the hints given against known police officials, in particular one matching 90% of those hints.

I therefore wonder why you are asking the questions?

It could just be coincidental he matches so well.
It could just be coincidence, that if he is not your man, that two individuals must be scoring very similar at the same time.

Only you know the answer to that.


Pierre a nice try at diversion, but it's not on topic is it?

Warm regards

Steve



Hi ierre

Hi Steve,

A few questions out of pure curiosity, and I prefere to ask you, since I know you often manage to come up with meaningful answers.

1) If Macnaghten was Jack the Ripper, what would have been his motive for killing and mutilating destitute women in Whitechapel?

I see that you have been thinking along the lines of Macnaghten having some problems with getting a job in the police force.

But what would that have to do with the victimology?

And would any motive connected to such a problem really be enough for such terrible murders?

Another question is how you look upon Macnaghtens job problem from the point of view of the periodization of the murders. He was denied a position in 1887.

2) What would the trigger have been that made him start to murder women as late as in August 1888?

Regards, Pierre

[Pierre]

Hi Pierre.

Watching a cricket match. However its lunch so will respond briefly.

It was made clear in the intial post by Craig and my follow up that we do not believe he was JTR, and the exercise undertaken mainly by Craig has not looked at his candiditure for such.

That was not the point of Craigs thread.

It was to compare the hints given against known police officials, in particular one matching 90% of those hints.

I therefore wonder why you are asking the questions?

It could just be coincidental he matches so well.
It could just be coincidence, that if he is not your man, that two individuals must be scoring very similar at the same time.

Only you know the answer to that.


Pierre a nice try at diversion, but it's not on topic is it?

Warm regards

Steve

Hi Steve,

You didn´t answer any of the questions. I was posing these questions to try and get some perspectives on the comparisons. But I can try and ask Craig instead.

Regards, Pierre

[Pierre]

Hi Harry,

I care because this Forum allows for people to debate ideas, be clear and honest with each other, and respect others opinions.

For the last 7 months, Pierre has been highly critical of others opinions and has hid behind this wall of "I know who the killer is but will not tell you".

If Pierre will not say who his suspect is, I think we need to identify who it is.

By showing his suspect is Macnaghten, it brings closure to something which has dragged on for 7 months, and been a distraction to the great ideas being debated on this site.

Hope that makes sense

All the best
Craig

Hi Craig,

1) If Macnaghten was Jack the Ripper, what would have been his motive for killing and mutilating destitute women in Whitechapel?

I see that you have been thinking along the lines of Macnaghten having some problems with getting a job in the police force.

But what would that have to do with the victimology?

And would any motive connected to such a problem really be enough for such terrible murders?

Another question is how you look upon Macnaghtens job problem from the point of view of the periodization of the murders. He was denied a position in 1887.

2) What would the trigger have been that made him start to murder women as late as in August 1888?

Regards, Pierre

[Craig H]

Hi Pierre

I think Steve just answered it well.

If you get a chance, could you respond to my post on "Ripper Facts" where I asked you to explain why the witness statements of Lawende and P C Smith were "not significant" in terms of your suspect ?

I assume it's because your suspect Macnaghten (who was tall, 6 foot) doesn't match the witness description of 5'7"m

All the best,
Craig

[Paddy Goose]

Yes but Sophie Herfort already wrote a book about Macnaghten the Ripper.

[Elamarna]

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Yes but Sophie Herfort already wrote a book about Macnaghten the Ripper.

Hi yes both I and Craig have read it.

I consider it very poor and it has many errors.

Steve

[Robert St Devil]

Profiling Pierre's Suspect

Here's a joke! Print out the enrolling classes at Oxford U for the years between '68 and '78, and say, "Jack the Ripper is in here."

I'm sure that you don't find houses like 'those' in the Rocky Mountains or many other places; so, I'm guessing that Pierre's suspect is English, race regardless. A man from a house 'like that' would go to one of the better universities; and if he's at 40 years in '88, then he had 20 years in '68; slide the scale at your discretion.

Medical, not a doctor... Using the term 'medical' suggests familiarity with the field. Where would a man from a house 'like that' learn medicine? maybe he started medical but never became a doctor, someone who had a point of departure, a black sheep of sorts, may have learned entry level organ identification courses but never made it to the higher surgical lessons.

Had reason to embarrass the Police department, embarrassing to British Institutions... Sounds political! Internally political or externally? [eg. internal: someone who works in the government, external: someone who runs a newspaper]

[Pierre]

Hi Pierre

I think Steve just answered it well.

If you get a chance, could you respond to my post on "Ripper Facts" where I asked you to explain why the witness statements of Lawende and P C Smith were "not significant" in terms of your suspect ?

I assume it's because your suspect Macnaghten (who was tall, 6 foot) doesn't match the witness description of 5'7"m

All the best,
Craig

Hi Craig,

No, Steve did not even attempt to answer the questions and neither did you.

However, I have answered your question in the thread you refer to.

Craig - I understand that you have invested some time in this matter and perhaps you was hoping to gain the respect of others for it.

But please stop saying that I suspect Macnaghten for being Jack the Ripper, because I do not. So stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

Regards, Pierre

[Mayerling]

Was Macnaghten a Free Mason?

Yes, Macnaghten was a Mason.

Jeff

[Elamarna]

Hi Craig,

No, Steve did not even attempt to answer the questions and neither did you.

However, I have answered your question in the thread you refer to.

Craig - I understand that you have invested some time in this matter and perhaps you was hoping to gain the respect of others for it.

But please stop saying that I suspect Macnaghten for being Jack the Ripper, because I do not. So stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

Regards, Pierre

Dear Pierre

While I fully accept your statement above that Macnaughten is not the man you think is Jack the Ripper; surely as a scientist who bases his work on data sources and analysing them, you must see that working from the hints given, He is an incredible match.

Obviously there is someone better Craig has not found.

You asked me about motive, my reply was clear that this thread was not suggesting he was the Ripper.
Let me perhaps clarify the point, I cannot give a meaningfully reply on that in the context of this thread, has no motive has been supplied to match it against.




regards

steve

[Robert St Devil]

Pierre said [B]the name “Jack” had a meaning...

Coud it be an amalgam? For example, John Arnold Cleary Kemp

[Pierre]

Dear Pierre

While I fully accept your statement above that Macnaughten is not the man you think is Jack the Ripper; surely as a scientist who bases his work on data sources and analysing them, you must see that working from the hints given, He is an incredible match.

Obviously there is someone better Craig has not found.

You asked me about motive, my reply was clear that this thread was not suggesting he was the Ripper.
Let me perhaps clarify the point, I cannot give a meaningfully reply on that in the context of this thread, has no motive has been supplied to match it against.

regards

steve

OK Steve, I see.

Regards, Pierre

[Craig H]

Craig - I understand that you have invested some time in this matter and perhaps you was hoping to gain the respect of others for it.

But please stop saying that I suspect Macnaghten for being Jack the Ripper, because I do not. So stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

Regards, Pierre

Hi Pierre

As you know, I have been intrigued that you were so confident you had some evidence that clearly identified the Ripper.

While I respected your decision not to name your suspect, I decided to use the clues you provided to try and identify who was the person you so confidently believed was JTR.

So it was more of a selfish motive on my part - certainly not looking for respect from others on this site.

I researched 60 different Police Officials from Scotland Yard and City of London Police who could have met your criteria. As mentioned in the OP, your Police Official must have been London-based and involved in the Kelly investigation in some way in order to have met Bowyer (as you previously said).

Sorry if it seems I'm putting words in your mouth. However, Macnaghten was the only Police Official that met nearly all of your clues.

Have we missed something ?

All the best

Craig

[Pierre]

Hi Pierre

As you know, I have been intrigued that you were so confident you had some evidence that clearly identified the Ripper.

While I respected your decision not to name your suspect, I decided to use the clues you provided to try and identify who was the person you so confidently believed was JTR.

So it was more of a selfish motive on my part - certainly not looking for respect from others on this site.

I researched 60 different Police Officials from Scotland Yard and City of London Police who could have met your criteria. As mentioned in the OP, your Police Official must have been London-based and involved in the Kelly investigation in some way in order to have met Bowyer (as you previously said).

Sorry if it seems I'm putting words in your mouth. However, Macnaghten was the only Police Official that met nearly all of your clues.

Have we missed something ?

All the best

Craig

Hi Craig,

A lot, but that is my responsibility and not your fault.

Regards, Pierre