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  • Vivian Majendie could also be a link to Douglas Browne's comment that Macnaghten appears to Identify Jack with an Irish Nationalist who was attempting to assassinate Balfour. Since Majendie was a bomb disposable expert during the Fenian dynamite campaign.
    Douglas Browne's information regarding Macnaghten's pre-Druitt suspect came from Browne's (or possibly Ralph Strauss's) reading of (likely) the Home Office files when he was finishing Strauss's book The Rise of Scotland Yard; A History, in 1956. Whatever document Browne or Strauss saw also apparently appears in the Special Branch files where Lindsay Clutterbuck saw what appears to be the same material.

    Taking what Browne, Clutterbuck and ex-Chief Inspector Tom Divall have stated over the years Macnaghten's pre-Druitt suspect was IRB/Fenian/Irish Invincible John Walsh, who died in March of 1891. If true, Druitt may have became a suspect sometime after this date.

    Wolf.

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    • Let me ask: Is druitt your favored suspect? anyone else you favor?
      I laughed out loud when I read this.

      Wolf.

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      • Hi Jon,

        The River Thames tidal section, reaching up to Teddington Lock, has a rise and fall of 7 metres (23 ft).

        Fresh water requires a depth of 34 feet to equal 1 atmosphere, so fresh water exerts a pressure of .432 lbs per foot of depth. Had Druitt been stationary [not swept by the tide] at 23 feet depth for the whole month [never bobbing to the surface] he would have been subject to 24.6 pounds pressure per square inch.

        For every additional 33 feet of salt water, another atmosphere, or 14.7 pounds per square inch, is exerted. At Titanic’'s depth [12,500 feet], Peuchen's wallet would have been subjected to approximately 377 atmospheres, or 55,419 pounds pressure per square inch.

        Spot the difference.

        Regards,

        Simon
        Last edited by Simon Wood; 05-01-2019, 09:06 PM.
        Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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        • Originally posted by The Baron View Post
          https://www.casebook.org/suspects/druitt.html

          "Druitt was the second son of a medical practitioner, William Druitt, born August 15, 1857 in Wimborne"

          I've asked you before where you read that but you didn't answer.

          you said: We know that Mac was talking about Montague John Druitt the 31 year old Barrister

          No, that is not true, he was talking about a 41 years old sexually mad doctor, If he knew who he was talking about, he wouldn't have favored him.


          The Baron
          Not every surgeon who graduated from the Royal College of Surgeon's would find a permanent position as a surgeon. Unless you opened a private practice, like your own surgery, then you would hope to become one of the resident surgeon's at a hospital. Many qualified surgeon's would open a practice as a G.P. which provides regular daily income until a permanent resident position becomes available.
          Working as a medical practitioner is not a reflection of his medical expertise.
          Regards, Jon S.

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          • Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

            Not every surgeon who graduated from the Royal College of Surgeon's would find a permanent position as a surgeon. Unless you opened a private practice, like your own surgery, then you would hope to become one of the resident surgeon's at a hospital. Many qualified surgeon's would open a practice as a G.P. which provides regular daily income until a permanent resident position becomes available.
            Working as a medical practitioner is not a reflection of his medical expertise.
            Hi Wick,

            Might William have simply retired from active surgery for some reason; age, ill-health for eg? Being a GP would certainly have been less taxing than surgery.
            Regards

            Herlock




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            • Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
              Hi Jon,

              The River Thames tidal section, reaching up to Teddington Lock, has a rise and fall of 7 metres (23 ft).

              Fresh water requires a depth of 34 feet to equal 1 atmosphere, so fresh water exerts a pressure of .432 lbs per foot of depth. Had Druitt been stationary [not swept by the tide] at 23 feet depth for the whole month [never bobbing to the surface] he would have been subject to 24.6 pounds pressure per square inch.

              For every additional 33 feet of salt water, another atmosphere, or 14.7 pounds per square inch, is exerted. At Titanic’'s depth [12,500 feet], Peuchen's wallet would have been subjected to approximately 377 atmospheres, or 55,419 pounds pressure per square inch.

              Spot the difference.

              Regards,

              Simon
              Hello Simon,

              I hope that you got that information through research because I’d be in danger of developing an inferiority complex if it was just something that you happened to know?
              Regards

              Herlock




              “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
              “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
              “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
              “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
              “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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              • Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

                Not every surgeon who graduated from the Royal College of Surgeon's would find a permanent position as a surgeon. Unless you opened a private practice, like your own surgery, then you would hope to become one of the resident surgeon's at a hospital. Many qualified surgeon's would open a practice as a G.P. which provides regular daily income until a permanent resident position becomes available.
                Working as a medical practitioner is not a reflection of his medical expertise.
                Where And how could he be able to teach his son how to extract a kidney in total darkness in less than 5 minutes ?!

                Or you think looking at anatomical pictures from his father's would make it any easier ?!

                The man was a barrister and cricket player and a teacher... not a butcher!


                The Baron

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                • Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post


                  As to "Observer's" criticism, we do, in fact, have examples of criminals being suspected and ultimately revealed by their own family members. It's how Ted Kaczynski, the "Unibomber" was captured. Despite the biggest manhunt in FBI history, the authorities couldn't identify the bomber; it was Kaczynski's sister-in-law that first made the connection. She thought the published "Manifesto" in the Washington Post (or was it The New York Times?) sounded a lot like Ted. She and her husband (Kaczynski's brother) mulled it over for weeks, their suspicions grew, and they finally contacted the police. What if they hadn't? We would never have known about their suspicions unless they had confided in a friend.
                  Druitt's family did not alert the authorities. Considering the magnitude of the crimes I very much doubt that Druitt's family would have revealed the slightest iota of information should they have suspected that Monty was Jack The Ripper.

                  It's obvious, as I said that Mac's informant believed Druitt to be a 41 year old doctor, that is what he wrote in his memorandum. His informant obviously did not know the Druitt family intimately, otherwise he would have reported his age and occupation accurately. It stinks. Mac was sold a pup.

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                  • Hi Jon,

                    Rest easy.

                    I did a Druitt/River Thames study six or seven years ago and just looked up my notes.

                    I'm amazed Druitt wasn't spotted at low tide.

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                    Regards,

                    Simon
                    Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                    • Originally posted by The Baron View Post

                      Where And how could he be able to teach his son how to extract a kidney in total darkness in less than 5 minutes ?!

                      Or you think looking at anatomical pictures from his father's would make it any easier ?!

                      The man was a barrister and cricket player and a teacher... not a butcher!


                      The Baron
                      No surprises here. No apology. Druitt’s father was without any argument a qualified surgeon and yet you still keep wittering on.

                      So, not only do you know for certain that Druitt couldn’t have been the ripper.

                      And you know for certain that Mackenzie was a ripper victim.

                      You now know for certain that the ripper would have needed surgical skills?

                      Why haven’t you solved the case yet?

                      . The man was a barrister and cricket player and a teacher... not a butcher!
                      Dennis Nilsen was a mere Civil Servant but he murdered and dismembered at least 12 men. A persons job and interests are utterly irrelevant when deciding whether they are guilty or not.

                      Even you should be able to see this.
                      Regards

                      Herlock




                      “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
                      “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
                      “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
                      “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
                      “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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                      • Originally posted by Observer View Post

                        Druitt's family did not alert the authorities. Considering the magnitude of the crimes I very much doubt that Druitt's family would have revealed the slightest iota of information should they have suspected that Monty was Jack The Ripper.

                        It's obvious, as I said that Mac's informant believed Druitt to be a 41 year old doctor, that is what he wrote in his memorandum. His informant obviously did not know the Druitt family intimately, otherwise he would have reported his age and occupation accurately. It stinks. Mac was sold a pup.
                        The two errors are insignificant at best. Macnaghten received information. He later wrote this up and got two details wrong (whether intentionally or otherwise.) Big deal. He was talking about Montague John Druitt which is all that matters. The fact that you don’t think that Druitt’s family would have told anyone is irrelevant. They might have approached Majendie for example, hoping that he’d know how to deal with the situation before it became publicly known.

                        The question should be: why did Macnaghten mention Druitt in the first place? He could have had his pick of ‘’suspects’’ to throw under the bus. But no, he named Druitt.

                        You haven’t any reason to call Macnaghten dishonest or gullible. Only bias.
                        Regards

                        Herlock




                        “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
                        “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
                        “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
                        “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
                        “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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                        • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                          No surprises here. No apology. Druitt’s father was without any argument a qualified surgeon and yet you still keep wittering on.

                          So, not only do you know for certain that Druitt couldn’t have been the ripper.

                          And you know for certain that Mackenzie was a ripper victim.

                          You now know for certain that the ripper would have needed surgical skills?

                          Why haven’t you solved the case yet?



                          Dennis Nilsen was a mere Civil Servant but he murdered and dismembered at least 12 men. A persons job and interests are utterly irrelevant when deciding whether they are guilty or not.

                          Even you should be able to see this.
                          "Inside Nilsen's home, the victims were usually given food and alcohol, then strangled — usually with a ligature — either to death or until they had become unconscious. If the victim had been strangled into unconsciousness, Nilsen then drowned him in his bathtub"


                          Are you comparing this to extracting a Kidney in total darkness in less than 5 minutes?!

                          Druitt was a barrister and a teacher, there is nothing to show he was able to do such a thing, but Macnagten thought he was a mad doctor, thats why he favored him, he was sold a pup!

                          And why you think the police at the time were looking for a mad doctor or butcher ?! huh ? just wasting their time ?!

                          Is that the best example you can come with ?!


                          The Baron

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                          • Originally posted by The Baron View Post

                            "Inside Nilsen's home, the victims were usually given food and alcohol, then strangled — usually with a ligature — either to death or until they had become unconscious. If the victim had been strangled into unconsciousness, Nilsen then drowned him in his bathtub"

                            Pathetic! Nilsen then dismembered the bodies and flushed them down the drains. If I remember correctly he kept body parts in his fridge. There was nothing about Nilsen that would have suggested that he was capable of this. So you’re point about Druitt being a Barrister and not a butcher is blatantly irrelevant.


                            Are you comparing this to extracting a Kidney in total darkness in less than 5 minutes?!

                            As you are well aware but are too dishonest to admit, I’ve never said any such thing. What I would say is that it’s by no means accepted that the ripper was a doctor or a surgeon. He may simply have had anatomical knowledge. Many people have anatomical knowledge that aren’t surgeons. Druitt was in a position to have gained anatomical knowledge. Simple as that.

                            Druitt was a barrister and a teacher, there is nothing to show he was able to do such a thing, but Macnagten thought he was a mad doctor, thats why he favored him, he was sold a pup!

                            Sold a pup. You are now reduced to parroting what Observer has said? How many thousands of murderers have been discovered to have been guilty but no one would have previously thought them capable of murder. Your point is without merit.

                            And why you think the police at the time were looking for a mad doctor or butcher ?! huh ? just wasting their time ?!

                            why were the police looking for a mad doctor or a butcher? You are simply making things up out of desperation.

                            Is that the best example you can come with ?!

                            Yet another pathetic post from you. Well done

                            The Baron
                            And so we have shown categorically that Druitt’s father was a qualified surgeon. Are you finally going to do the decent thing and admit that you were wrong. Please don’t think that I’ll let this go.
                            Regards

                            Herlock




                            “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
                            “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
                            “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
                            “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
                            “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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                            • Hi Simon.

                              There's a lengthy article in the Chelmsford Chronicle, April 26, 1867, which reports the finding of the body of Mr Richard Worswick, in the river Colne. He had been missing for a year. Sections of railway iron were fastened to the body to hold it down. The body came apart when they attempted to bring it to the surface, the state of decomposition was so extreme.
                              Along with the body was found a leather travelling bag containing a white shirt baring the name written in ink - "Worswick".

                              A perfectly readable Way-bill was found. Items listed on the way-bill were found beside the body.



                              Also, a carpet bag was found containing papers; bills, receipts & a cheque, all apparently quite readable...



                              Should I await your scientific search engine to take this apart?

                              Regards, Jon S.

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                              • Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                                Hi Jon,

                                Rest easy.

                                I did a Druitt/River Thames study six or seven years ago and just looked up my notes.

                                I'm amazed Druitt wasn't spotted at low tide.

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                                Simon
                                Druitt's body may have originally had more stones than were found in the pockets. If some came out the body would gradually surface, so his body could have been in the deep channel of the river. Who knows....
                                Regards, Jon S.

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