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  • Hi Sam,

    Thank you.

    I think we can agree that the Macnaghten memorandum is an interesting document, but evidentially worthless.

    Regards,

    Simon
    Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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    • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
      Let me rephrase “the content contained in the mm is unsafe to rely on” I don’t doubt it was penned in good faith

      www.trevormarriott.couk
      Trevor, before you can state that the content is unsafe to rely on, you have to prove that it is (or at least present a solid, evidence supported argument that it is). Where have you done that?

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      • Hello Simon.

        I'm not following the rationale behind this Ostrog argument.
        The way I see it Simon, you seem to think if a document, magazine or book contains an error, then the entire publication is "worthless".

        Is that your considered opinion?

        We would likely find that since the advent of the Gutenberg Press right up to the dawn of the 21st century, every factual book ever published contains errors to some degree. Research was always so labor intensive before the computer age.

        And, how does this Ostrog argument impact the Druitt theory?
        Regards, Jon S.

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        • Originally posted by PaulB View Post

          to accept your point that Druitt was not thoroughly investigated means that one must accept that Macnaghten favoured a suspect without instituting any investigation whatsoever. And, that, I'm afraid, is a bit of a big thing to accept.

          Yes, Macnaghten favoured a suspect without instituting any investigation whatsoever.

          Prove that was not the case!



          The Baron

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          • Hi Jon,

            You think Ostrog was an error?

            If it was, why, four years later, did Macnaghten not correct it before passing his name-redacted memorandum onto Major Griffiths for publication?

            Regards,

            Simon
            Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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            • Originally posted by The Baron View Post


              Yes, Macnaghten favoured a suspect without instituting any investigation whatsoever.

              Prove that was not the case!



              The Baron
              If he’d asked someone to look into it but off the record then it couldn’t be proven.

              What if Macnaghten wanted to obscure Druitt’s true identity to protect the family because his good friend was linked to them by marriage?
              Regards

              Herlock






              "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact!"

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              • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                If he’d asked someone to look into it but off the record then it couldn’t be proven.

                What if Macnaghten wanted to obscure Druitt’s true identity to protect the family because his good friend was linked to them by marriage?

                And mentioned his Name?!

                And what if Macnaghten himself was the ripper ?!
                This is also a theory based on 'if'

                What we have is a report full of errors from a man in the position to know, that is if he even tried to know.

                'If' dosn't change anything, it is only a way to let the MM live a little more longer.


                The Baron

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                • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                  Again, there's nothing in the memo that states that the three examples that Macnaghten provided were JTR suspects, only that these particular "nutters" would have been more likely candidates than Cutbush.
                  At the risk of sounding like a broken record this is surely the point worth emphasising. Druitt wasn’t just some random nutter who was ‘expendable’ in the eyes of a man of Macnaghtens class. Kosminski was insane and Ostrog was a criminal (can we imagine any voices being raised about the potential stain on their families honour?) Druitt was a respectable Barrister/Schoolteacher/son of a surgeon from the upper classes. Why did Mac feel compelled to add this fully paid up member of respectable Tory society to his list when he would have been spoilt for choice with ‘nobodies’ that he could have also claimed as likelier suspects than Cutbush. This genuinely makes no sense to me.
                  Regards

                  Herlock






                  "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact!"

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                  • Originally posted by The Baron View Post


                    And mentioned his Name?!

                    And what if Macnaghten himself was the ripper ?!
                    This is also a theory based on 'if'

                    What we have is a report full of errors from a man in the position to know, that is if he even tried to know.

                    'If' dosn't change anything, it is only a way to let the MM live a little more longer.


                    The Baron
                    Of course it’s not as believable as Randy Williams long and tedious trudge toward insanity of course. Glad to see that you’re maintaining a balanced view.
                    Regards

                    Herlock






                    "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact!"

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                    • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                      Druitt was a respectable Barrister/Schoolteacher/son of a surgeon from the upper classes. Why did Mac feel compelled to add this fully paid up member of respectable Tory society to his list when he would have been spoilt for choice with ‘nobodies’ that he could have also claimed as likelier suspects than Cutbush. This genuinely makes no sense to me.
                      How do we explain the Oscar Wilde affair or the Cleveland Street Scandal, then? Regardless of class, the Victorians loved gossip. Besides, if Druitt's own family thought that he was a killer, and were clearly communicating their suspicions to others, then where was the harm?
                      Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                      "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                      • Originally posted by PaulB View Post

                        Trevor, before you can state that the content is unsafe to rely on, you have to prove that it is (or at least present a solid, evidence supported argument that it is). Where have you done that?
                        I dont need to, or want to for that matter keep stating that same facts over and over again that point to the contents of this memo being unsafe to now rely on. I dont see what your argument is, do you not accept these facts as being unsafe? He is the main protagonist who by what he wrote in the memo has been responsible for every book and every documentary made that has gone down the misleading 5 and 5 only victims.

                        www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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                        • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                          How do we explain the Oscar Wilde affair or the Cleveland Street Scandal, then? Regardless of class, the Victorians loved gossip. Besides, if Druitt's own family thought that he was a killer, and were clearly communicating their suspicions to others, then where was the harm?
                          The harm as been done 130 years later with those who now want to suggest based on what MM wrote that Druitt was the JTR

                          Without anything to support what was allegedly said, from and evidential perspective it is not worth the paper it is written on.

                          www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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                          • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
                            The harm as been done 130 years later with those who now want to suggest based on what MM wrote that Druitt was the JTR
                            Indeed, but I was on about the conditions that prevailed at the time the Memo was written.
                            Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                            "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                            • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                              How do we explain the Oscar Wilde affair or the Cleveland Street Scandal, then? Regardless of class, the Victorians loved gossip. Besides, if Druitt's own family thought that he was a killer, and were clearly communicating their suspicions to others, then where was the harm?
                              Druitt’s family didn’t necessarily blab to all and sundry though Sam. A family secret can get out unintentionally. Someone can be told something in confidence who then breaks that confidence. What would have been easier for Mac? To name some other lunatic or recently deceased criminal or someone from the upper classes whose movements would have been easier to trace and therefore be easily exonerated?
                              Regards

                              Herlock






                              "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact!"

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                              • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                                The harm as been done 130 years later with those who now want to suggest based on what MM wrote that Druitt was the JTR

                                Without anything to support what was allegedly said, from and evidential perspective it is not worth the paper it is written on.

                                www.trevormarriott.co.uk
                                The only thing that we can say for certain is that Druitt cannot be dismissed as a suspect. Doubted or believed innocent, yes, dismissed, no.
                                Regards

                                Herlock






                                "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact!"

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