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  • Originally posted by The Baron View Post


    Of course.

    Druitt is the child of MacNaghten imagination.

    Even those who support Druitt are using the same 'methodology' as Mac, searching rumors!


    The Baron
    Are you happy that you can now jump back onto Trevorís shoulder

    Again we are not using the rumour as proof of anything. We are simply saying that it is a point of interest and that rumours occasionally contain some truth.

    You might now want to ask Trevor what to say next.
    Regards

    Herlock




    “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
    As night descends upon this fabled street:
    A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
    The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
    Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
    And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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    • without corroboration totally unsafe and unreliable
      Like the uncorroborated confession of a compulsive liar you mean?
      Regards

      Herlock




      “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
      As night descends upon this fabled street:
      A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
      The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
      Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
      And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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      • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

        Like the uncorroborated confession of a compulsive liar you mean?
        Grow up ! Stick to the matters being discussed

        If thats all you have to put forward in your defense of The MM, then there is no hope for you.

        www.trevormarriott.co.uk


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        • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

          Are you happy that you can now jump back onto Trevorís shoulder

          Again we are not using the rumour as proof of anything. We are simply saying that it is a point of interest and that rumours occasionally contain some truth.

          You might now want to ask Trevor what to say next.
          and a rumor is not sufficient to label a person a suspect in a murder case !

          www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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          • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

            Grow up ! Stick to the matters being discussed

            If thats all you have to put forward in your defense of The MM, then there is no hope for you.

            www.trevormarriott.co.uk

            There is no hope of honest discussion from someone that applies different criteria simply to suit their own argument. You have no corroboration that Feigenbaum ever made his confession to Lawton. Lawton could have been lying. Why is Lawton more believable or reliable than Macnaghten? Itís as simple as that.
            Regards

            Herlock




            “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
            As night descends upon this fabled street:
            A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
            The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
            Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
            And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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            • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

              There is no hope of honest discussion from someone that applies different criteria simply to suit their own argument. You have no corroboration that Feigenbaum ever made his confession to Lawton. Lawton could have been lying. Why is Lawton more believable or reliable than Macnaghten? Itís as simple as that.

              You don't have any proof whatsoever that Druitt ever had made a confession, nevertheless you use this to support Druitt.

              Who is the one that applies different criteria here except you I wonder.

              I advice you to learn from Trevor, he has better experience than you and MacNaghten, instead of your arbitrary responds to him.


              The Baron

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              • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                and a rumor is not sufficient to label a person a suspect in a murder case !

                www.trevormarriott.co.uk
                No itís not. And as Iíve explained to your parrot no one is claiming that it is. There are many rumours and stories concerning this case and so they get discussed because posters are interested in the case in broad terms and not just in terms of confirming there own suspect. Rumours can be true or false. Or they can contain a kernel of truth. And here we have a story from a Rear Admiral (not some gossiping, superstitious housewife or a pub drunk) that says that, at the time of the murders, there was talk of the ripper living in Blackheath. Why Blackheath when there was no mention of it anywhere in relation to the crimes? This is a point of interest. No one has claimed it as proof that Druitt was guilty. What we can say for certain though is that Druitt lived at Blackheath.
                Regards

                Herlock




                “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
                As night descends upon this fabled street:
                A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
                The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
                Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
                And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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                • Originally posted by The Baron View Post


                  You don't have any proof whatsoever that Druitt ever had made a confession, nevertheless you use this to support Druitt.

                  Who is the one that applies different criteria here except you I wonder.

                  I advice you to learn from Trevor, he has better experience than you and MacNaghten, instead your arbitrary responds to him.


                  The Baron
                  More lies.

                  Show me the post where I have said that Druitt definitely made a confession.

                  If you do manage it Iíll do something that you refuse to do. Admit to being wrong. Off you go.
                  Regards

                  Herlock




                  “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
                  As night descends upon this fabled street:
                  A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
                  The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
                  Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
                  And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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                  • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                    Well, doesnt that speak volumes for suggesting that the information that MM was relying on was simply hearsay and without corroboration totally unsafe and unreliable, and proof that Druitt never found his way onto the suspect list.

                    www.trevormarriott.co.uk
                    No. Think about it. The file was created early in 1889, Macnaghten joined the Met in mid-1889, and Macnaghten said information implicating Druitt wasn't received until a couple of years or even several years after. So, why should Druitt's name feature in a suspects' file pre-dating suspicions against him? And we know from the few copies made by Bonner and Knight that the so-called 'suspects file' consisted of non-starter suspects, not any serious suspect, either suspected before or after mid-1889. If one were to reasonably postulate that the files on serious suspects were seperate, it could argue the opposite to what you want it to.

                    Anyway, until you can demonstrate that Macnaghten was the sort of man who would plump for a suspect on the basis of uncorroborated hearsay that was unreliable and therefore unsafe, I'm afraid it's a purely academic question to which any answers are wholly speculative.

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                    • Originally posted by The Baron View Post

                      'The Daily Express', Aug 1st 1904: --An interview with Sims :

                      Ď... Mr. Sims said that he had not the slightest doubt in his mind as to who the ďRipperĒ really was. ďNor have the policeĒ, he continued, ďIn the archives of the Home Office are the name and history of the wretched man. He was a mad physician belonging to a highly respected family. He committed the crimes after having been in a lunatic asylum as a homicidal maniac.Ē
                      Interesting that this description lacks the drowning in the river. I wonder if Sims had read Griffiths' 1898 book by then.

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                      • Anyway, until you can demonstrate that Macnaghten was the sort of man who would plump for a suspect on the basis of uncorroborated hearsay that was unreliable and therefore unsafe, I'm afraid it's a purely academic question to which any answers are wholly speculative.
                        What evidence is there to show wasn't the sort of man who wouldn't plump for a suspect on the basis of uncorroborated heresay?

                        Write something...

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                        • In an interview with the Daily Express, 1st August 1904, George R. Sims said that he had not the slightest doubt in his mind as to who the Ripper really was. Nor have the police, he continued, In the archives of the Home Office are the name and history of the wretched man. He was a mad physician belonging to a highly respected family. He committed the crimes after having been in a lunatic asylum as a homicidal maniac.

                          A 'homicidal maniac' is a mentally unstable person who kills people. If Druitt was the person Sims was talking about, who had Druitt killed prior to his incarceration? And why wasn't he locked up permanently?

                          The story makes no sense.
                          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                          • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                            More lies.

                            Show me the post where I have said that Druitt definitely made a confession.

                            If you do manage it Iíll do something that you refuse to do. Admit to being wrong. Off you go.
                            No response from Baron I see. Hardly surprising.
                            Regards

                            Herlock




                            “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
                            As night descends upon this fabled street:
                            A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
                            The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
                            Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
                            And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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                            • Originally posted by mpriestnall View Post

                              What evidence is there to show wasn't the sort of man who wouldn't plump for a suspect on the basis of uncorroborated heresay?
                              We've been through that several times on this thread, but one is looking at his career for examples of him doing that, whether or not he was respected by his colleagues or had a reputation for jumping too quickly to rash conclusions; his intelligence, education, experience in and out of the job... all the usual ways we have of judging the probability of someone being informed enough to know what they're talking about. History is chock full of uncorroborated statements by people in diaries, assorted private papers, and so forth.

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                              • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                                and a rumor is not sufficient to label a person a suspect in a murder case !

                                www.trevormarriott.co.uk
                                Therefore, as he was indeed labelled a suspect, by your own admission,there had to be more to the accusation.
                                Glad we have that sorted.
                                Regards, Jon S.

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