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  • For those who recall this conversation over on Howard Brown's site from a few years back, Sean Crundall discovered that Henry L. Fleet was attending the Royal Naval College in Greenwich (which is near Blackheath, so that is obviously why he was living there). He states the course ran from Oct. 1, 1888 to the end of Jun. 1889.

    Looking at the 1891 UK census, Fleet then moved from Blackheath to Sheerness, Isle of Sheppey, in Kent. Exactly when, I have no idea, but with his course over, a navy man would hardly have stayed landlocked in Blackheath for long.



    So the local rumors he alludes to must have dated to late 1888 or in early to mid-1889. They wouldn't have covered the time of the Mackenzie or Coles murders. One would assume they surfaced after M.J.D's dismissal and suicide.

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    • Of course, if some document thief hadn't made off with all the suspect files, we'd know the answers to some of these questions, instead of stuck in endless speculation.

      Currently, there is an intriguing patch of ice on the surface of the ocean. Some claim that's all there is; others insist there is an iceberg underneath.

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      • A thief made off with all the suspect files? Gosh! What a cad, bounder and dirty rotten scoundrel.

        Do you really believe this, or is it just a convenient reason to explain why no suspect files exist?
        Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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        • Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post

          Do you really believe this, or is it just a convenient reason to explain why no suspect files exist?
          I refuse to answer on the grounds it may incriminate the person I think is responsible.

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          • Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

            Here's another 'convenient' suicide, I wonder why Mac. didn't pick this poor sod:
            "The man who committed suicide in Hyde-park yesterday (16 Nov) by shooting himself in the mouth with a revolver, has now been fully identified as Richard Brown, a constable of the E Division, belonging to Hunter-street police-station."

            Statistics published at the close of 1888 show that on average in London six people commit suicide every week.
            So on average about 42 people killed themselves in the seven weeks between 9 Nov. and 31 Dec.
            Mac. had quite a good selection to choose from, so if he was just pinning the tail on the donkey, why pin it on Druitt?
            Did Macnaghten not possess "private information" that PC Brown was believed to be the Ripper by his family? Was he not said to be "sexually insane"?

            I didn't suggest that Macnaghten was picking random suicides out of the air.
            Kind regards, Sam Flynn

            "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, GŲtzendšmmerung, 1888)

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            • Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
              Of course, if some document thief hadn't made off with all the suspect files, we'd know the answers to some of these questions, instead of stuck in endless speculation.

              Currently, there is an intriguing patch of ice on the surface of the ocean. Some claim that's all there is; others insist there is an iceberg underneath.
              Of course if that thief had made off with the suspect file, and I am sure it was stolen, and I am sure it is still in existence, then surely if there had been anything incriminating to a specific suspect, then that person would have found a way to disclose it without incriminating himself. So it might suggest that as that hasn't happened over the years confirms what has been said all along that the police did not have any clues.

              That might be corroborated by the fact that MM had to get the information from somewhere to be able to pen the memo, and as I see it that might have come for the original suspect file which was still in place at that time.

              www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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              • Originally posted by The Baron View Post



                This series of crimes include Mackenzie and Coles too.

                Live with it.


                The Baron
                Baron you are a dishonest person.

                This is the second time that you havenít had the integrity to admit your mistake. You thought that you were so clever and that you were proving others wrong but yet again you were wrong.

                And now you are dishonestly changing the subject to Mackenzie and Coles to dishonestly try and exonerate Druitt.

                You are a joke.
                Regards

                Herlock




                “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
                As night descends upon this fabled street:
                A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
                The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
                Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
                And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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                • Originally posted by The Baron View Post
                  The question is, whether Druitt was a police suspect BEFORE he committed suicide or after.


                  The Baron
                  No the question is the topic thatís being discussed. You donít get to dishonestly change the subject just because youíve been proven wrong.
                  Regards

                  Herlock




                  “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
                  As night descends upon this fabled street:
                  A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
                  The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
                  Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
                  And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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                  • Originally posted by The Baron View Post
                    Since the pro-Druitt will not bring the story to the end, here it is:

                    He was never caught, although it was sometimes stated that he had been and was confined in Broadmoor


                    Nothing about suicide or death!

                    Didn't they know that Druitt was dead in 1888 ?!


                    The Baron
                    So this ends the case against Druitt.

                    Grow up Baron.

                    Regards

                    Herlock




                    “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
                    As night descends upon this fabled street:
                    A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
                    The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
                    Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
                    And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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                    • Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
                      For those who recall this conversation over on Howard Brown's site from a few years back, Sean Crundall discovered that Henry L. Fleet was attending the Royal Naval College in Greenwich (which is near Blackheath, so that is obviously why he was living there). He states the course ran from Oct. 1, 1888 to the end of Jun. 1889.

                      Looking at the 1891 UK census, Fleet then moved from Blackheath to Sheerness, Isle of Sheppey, in Kent. Exactly when, I have no idea, but with his course over, a navy man would hardly have stayed landlocked in Blackheath for long.



                      So the local rumors he alludes to must have dated to late 1888 or in early to mid-1889. They wouldn't have covered the time of the Mackenzie or Coles murders. One would assume they surfaced after M.J.D's dismissal and suicide.
                      Thanks for that Roger
                      Regards

                      Herlock




                      “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
                      As night descends upon this fabled street:
                      A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
                      The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
                      Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
                      And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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                      • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                        Of course if that thief had made off with the suspect file, and I am sure it was stolen, and I am sure it is still in existence, then surely if there had been anything incriminating to a specific suspect, then that person would have found a way to disclose it without incriminating himself. So it might suggest that as that hasn't happened over the years confirms what has been said all along that the police did not have any clues.

                        That might be corroborated by the fact that MM had to get the information from somewhere to be able to pen the memo, and as I see it that might have come for the original suspect file which was still in place at that time.

                        www.trevormarriott.co.uk
                        Druitt's name wasn't in the 'suspects file' that was requested by the police early in 1889 and was seen by Paul Bonner in the 70s and might still be extant somewhere.

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                        • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                          No the question is the topic thatís being discussed. You donít get to dishonestly change the subject just because youíve been proven wrong.
                          You are the one who is proven wrong when you think this story is a reference against Druitt, bring the story to the end then.

                          Thats what an honest researcher do.

                          This siere of crimes include McKenzie and Coles too, and nothing at all in those rumors hints that he was Druitt, the ripper didn't commit suicide or die!

                          I like this Story, it is a profe that Druitt was not the suspect of these rumors and that part of the country !!!

                          In order to grow up, you need to think a little about the ponits arise.


                          The Baron
                          Last edited by The Baron; 05-11-2019, 10:04 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by PaulB View Post

                            Druitt's name wasn't in the 'suspects file' that was requested by the police early in 1889 and was seen by Paul Bonner in the 70s and might still be extant somewhere.
                            Well, doesnt that speak volumes for suggesting that the information that MM was relying on was simply hearsay and without corroboration totally unsafe and unreliable, and proof that Druitt never found his way onto the suspect list.

                            www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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                            • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                              Well, doesnt that speak volumes for suggesting that the information that MM was relying on was simply hearsay and without corroboration totally unsafe and unreliable, and proof that Druitt never found his way onto the suspect list.

                              www.trevormarriott.co.uk

                              Of course.

                              Druitt is the child of MacNaghten imagination.

                              Even those who support Druitt are using the same 'methodology' as Mac, searching rumors!


                              The Baron

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                              • Originally posted by The Baron View Post

                                You are the one who is proven wrong when you think this story is a reference against Druitt, bring the story to the end then.

                                Try understanding before you type. The reason the story was mentioned because Fleet says that there was a rumour that was current (at the time) about the ripper living in Blackheath. There was no mention anywhere of Blackheath being mentioned in regard to the case so why would Blackheath (the place where Druitt lived) be thought of by some to be where the ripper lived. We cannot explain this away because itís inconvenient.

                                Thats what an honest researcher do.

                                You are neither a researcher or honest (certainly not the latter - and we have evidence for that.)

                                This siere of crimes include McKenzie and Coles too, and nothing at all in those rumors hints that he was Druitt, the ripper didn't commit
                                suicide or die!

                                Any honest person would tell you that we cannot be anything like certain that either of those were victims of Jack the Ripper. In fact Iíd say that more people think that they werenít than that they were. In fact, hardly anyone thinks that Coles was a ripper victim. So you continue to do the dishonest - to use a non- fact to disprove something. This is impossible. You can stamp your feet and keep repeating this lie as often as you want to Baron but even those that believe that Mackenzie was a ripper victim will tell you that itís not proven.

                                I like this Story, it is a profe that Druitt was not the suspect of these rumors and that part of the country !!!

                                Nope. More dishonesty. No one has said that this is proof that Druitt was the ripper or proof of anything. Itís just an interesting fact that raises a question that we cannot answer - why was Blackheath considered by some to be where the ripper lived? There had been absolutely no official mention of Blackheath. Honest posters can see and accept this. Thatís why you canít.

                                In order to grow up, you need to think a little about the ponits arise.

                                You just need to think. Full stop.


                                The Baron
                                With every post you make you become less and less credible. Being dishonest is not away to get your opinions taken remotely seriously.

                                Regards

                                Herlock




                                “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
                                As night descends upon this fabled street:
                                A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
                                The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
                                Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
                                And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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