Druitt and Monro

[jmenges]

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[The Rookie Detective]

I quoted Sims. Sims got several things wrong.

Druitt was not a doctor.
Druitt had not been in an asylum before the murders.
Druitt had not been released from an asylum as cured.
Druitt did not disappear immediately after the Kelly murder.
Druitt was searched for by his brother, not by his friends.
Druitt's body was found nearly two months after the Keely murder.

Druitt's court appearances, cricket games, and attendance of social events show that he was not placed in an asylum. Redefining "friends' to mean "brother" does not change the meaning of friends.

Sims, like other drowned doctor stories gets many things wrong. That makes it probable he well down the gossip chain.

I agree Fiver.

While there has been some stirling research done to promote Druitt's potential candidacy as the Ripper, it's clear that there are just too many discrepancies with the known data.

[rjpalmer]

Druitt was searched for by his brother, not by his friends.

And still you persist with this misinterpretation without any acknowledgment of the rebuttal already made. You clearly misunderstand Sims's use of the word "friends." He meant those in Druitt's social circle including blood relatives. William Druitt qualifies.

If you don't like hearing it from me, maybe you'd prefer hearing it from Debra Arif on an entirely unrelated topic: see Post #37 below.

Will the real Emma Smith..... - Jack The Ripper Forums - Ripperology For The 21st Century

"I think the term 'friends' was commonly used in the period to refer to relatives and family. It's a very common term used in workhouse records and the comment 'no friends' generally referred to the fact that there was no family to support the inmate outside the workhouse."

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So, when Sims, a Victorian, states that Druitt's 'friends' searched for him, his brother William Druitt would qualify. So rather than an error, Sims' account is confirmed by reports of the inquest. And, of course, those at Kings Bench Walk also voiced concerns about Druitt's disappearance.

You're pointing out errors that are either not errors, or there is not enough information to conclude that Sims is categorically wrong. There are other ways of interpreting the source materials.

RP

[Trevor Marriott]

And still you persist with this misinterpretation without any acknowledgment of the rebuttal already made. You clearly misunderstand Sims's use of the word "friends." He meant those in Druitt's social circle including blood relatives. William Druitt qualifies.

If you don't like hearing it from me, maybe you'd prefer hearing it from Debra Arif on an entirely unrelated topic: see Post #37 below.

Will the real Emma Smith..... - Jack The Ripper Forums - Ripperology For The 21st Century

"I think the term 'friends' was commonly used in the period to refer to relatives and family. It's a very common term used in workhouse records and the comment 'no friends' generally referred to the fact that there was no family to support the inmate outside the workhouse."

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So, when Sims, a Victorian, states that Druitt's 'friends' searched for him, his brother William Druitt would qualify. So rather than an error, Sims' account is confirmed by reports of the inquest. And, of course, those at Kings Bench Walk also voiced concerns about Druitt's disappearance.

You're pointing out errors that are either not errors, or there is not enough information to conclude that Sims is categorically wrong. There are other ways of interpreting the source materials.

RP

Let me ask a general question: if Druitt was a homosexual, which by all accounts he was, would that preclude him from killing women in general? This fact alone would surely rule him out, as gay serial killers always tend to kill male victims.

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[Wickerman]

Let me ask a general question: if Druitt was a homosexual, which by all accounts he was, would that preclude him from killing women in general? This fact alone would surely rule him out, as gay serial killers always tend to kill male victims.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

This is a fine example of the fact, that if something is repeated often enough people will begin to believe it.

I'm not sure how much we can trust AI, but if we pose various questions concerning homosexual murderers and female victims, the result pretty much confirms what we have suspected, it is rare.
Which does not mean it does not or has not happened, serial killers are a rarity in themselves, and sexual serial killers even more so, but they still do occur.

One contributing factor to this speculation is the fact Druitt appears to have got into serious trouble at the boys school in Blackheath.
The obvious implication being, Druitt might have been discovered in an intimate situation with any of the boys at the school.

What is never to my knowledge even considered is, the fact that this same boys school included six female servants and a female cook.
Which serves to demonstrate that if potential homosexual temptation is what you choose focus on, then that is what you will find.

[Abby Normal]

fascinating thread. there seems to be an awful lot of talk by alot of different people at the time about druitt. But does it all just originate from MM? Is there any independent mention of druitt being the ripper that dosnt come from MM?

[The Rookie Detective]

fascinating thread. there seems to be an awful lot of talk by alot of different people at the time about druitt. But does it all just originate from MM? Is there any independent mention of druitt being the ripper that dosnt come from MM?

Precisely what I've been trying to ascertain.


Does Druitt's candidacy as the Ripper only exist because of MM?


If so, then it's not worth the paper it's written on.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Let me ask a general question: if Druitt was a homosexual, which by all accounts he was, would that preclude him from killing women in general? This fact alone would surely rule him out, as gay serial killers always tend to kill male victims.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

There isn’t a smidgeon of evidence that Druitt was gay Trevor and yet you keep stating it. Why?

[Trevor Marriott]

This is a fine example of the fact, that if something is repeated often enough people will begin to believe it.

I'm not sure how much we can trust AI, but if we pose various questions concerning homosexual murderers and female victims, the result pretty much confirms what we have suspected, it is rare.
Which does not mean it does not or has not happened, serial killers are a rarity in themselves, and sexual serial killers even more so, but they still do occur.

One contributing factor to this speculation is the fact Druitt appears to have got into serious trouble at the boys school in Blackheath.
The obvious implication being, Druitt might have been discovered in an intimate situation with any of the boys at the school.

What is never to my knowledge even considered is, the fact that this same boys school included six female servants and a female cook.
Which serves to demonstrate that if potential homosexual temptation is what you choose focus on, then that is what you will find.

But the absence of any intimacy allegations from the school committed by Druitt against any female members of staff I think it proves my original suggestion that he was a homosexual.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Herlock Sholmes]

Precisely what I've been trying to ascertain.


Does Druitt's candidacy as the Ripper only exist because of MM?


If so, then it's not worth the paper it's written on.

There is no more important document in the whole case. The entire effort in trying to dismiss Druitt is based on the wholly unfounded assumption that Macnaghten was lying. It’s nothing more than wishful thinking I’m afraid Chris.

[Trevor Marriott]

There isn’t a smidgeon of evidence that Druitt was gay Trevor and yet you keep stating it. Why?

How can you prove he was not gay? The answer is you can't, yet you and others want to paint a picture of him being straight, because if you accept he was, then he wasn't the Ripper for the reasons I have stated in a previous post

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Abby Normal]

There is no more important document in the whole case. The entire effort in trying to dismiss Druitt is based on the wholly unfounded assumption that Macnaghten was lying. It’s nothing more than wishful thinking I’m afraid Chris.

can you answer my question that chris responded to herlock? thanks!

[Herlock Sholmes]

How can you prove he was not gay? The answer is you can't, yet you and others want to paint a picture of him being straight, because if you accept he was, then he wasn't the Ripper for the reasons I have stated in a previous post

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

What a strange post. Of course I can’t prove he wasn’t but that doesn’t mean that you can just assume that he was. All that you’re doing Trevor is your inventing something so that you can dismiss him.

How can Feigenbaum have been the killer of women if he was gay?

[Herlock Sholmes]

can you answer my question that chris responded to herlock? thanks!

Not by name Abby. We have Farquharson of course:

11 February 1891, The Bristol Times and Mirror:

I give a curious story for what it is worth. There is a West of England member who in private declares that he has solved the mystery of 'Jack the Ripper.' His theory - and he repeats it with so much emphasis that it might almost be called his doctrine - is that 'Jack the Ripper' committed suicide on the night of his last murder. I can't give details, for fear of a libel action; but the story is so circumstantial that a good many people believe it. He states that a man with blood-stained clothes committed suicide on the night of the last murder, and he asserts that the man was the son of a surgeon, who suffered from homicidal mania. I do not know what the police think of the story, but I believe that before long a clean breast will be made, and that the accusation will be sifted thoroughly.

Obviously Druitt didn’t commit suicide on the night of the last murder but we have someone from Druitt’s area of the country saying that the killer committed suicide (as Druitt did) and that he was the son of a surgeon (as Druitt was)

[Abby Normal]

Not by name Abby. We have Farquharson of course:

11 February 1891, The Bristol Times and Mirror:

I give a curious story for what it is worth. There is a West of England member who in private declares that he has solved the mystery of 'Jack the Ripper.' His theory - and he repeats it with so much emphasis that it might almost be called his doctrine - is that 'Jack the Ripper' committed suicide on the night of his last murder. I can't give details, for fear of a libel action; but the story is so circumstantial that a good many people believe it. He states that a man with blood-stained clothes committed suicide on the night of the last murder, and he asserts that the man was the son of a surgeon, who suffered from homicidal mania. I do not know what the police think of the story, but I believe that before long a clean breast will be made, and that the accusation will be sifted thoroughly.

Obviously Druitt didn’t commit suicide on the night of the last murder but we have someone from Druitt’s area of the country saying that the killer committed suicide (as Druitt did) and that he was the son of a surgeon (as Druitt was)

thanks herlock