Photographs of Druitt - A Question

[Chris Scott]

Can someone clear up a point for me please?
How many known photos of M J Druitt are there?
The two well known ones in the Photo Archive are
a) The Head and shoulders shot with wide necktie and white collar and
b) The pensive shot of him at a desk reading a book
However, I am sure that I have seen a third in which he is wearing some sort of peaked sporting cap and his moustache, though slight, is much more visible.

What brought this to mind was a passage in the Dan Farson book which I was looking at today. This reads as follows:
"Druitt appears in various college groups in the seventies and the photograph of the Winchester First XI in 1876 is reproduced in this book." The paperback copy of the book I have does not include the photo.
Does anyone have a copy of it, and is it this team shot the photo which fits the description I mentioned above with a peaked cap?
Farson says "various college groups" suggesting a number of Winchester photos with Druitt in - has anyone seen these?
Many thanks for any help
Chris

[Mike Covell]

Hi Chris,
Ripper Suspect, the secret lives of MJ Druitt has another shot of Druitt.

It is showing him in the 1876 Winchester XI lineup, which is copywrite of Provost amd Fellows of Winchester College.

[Chris Scott]

Hi Mike
From the sound of it this must be the one that Farson included in his book
Many thanks
Chris

[BillyE]

Wasn't J. K. Stephen in that picture as well?

[Graham]

And isn't Druitt a dead-ringer for the Duke of Clarence??

Cheers,

Graham

[Mike Covell]

Hi BillyE

Other members of the group include,
JA Fort,
AH Rooper,
FS Baines,
WHB Bird,
WR Sheldon,
SJ Wilson,
WA Thornton,
J Eyre,
AW Moon,
RBA Prichard,
And
MJ Druitt.

In the same book is a picture of JK Stephen with the Duke Of Clarence, and other "Apostles"

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Chris,
This is from Don Rumbelow"s book, The Complete JtR.Its a poor copy as its a photo,taken of a photo in a low light.However, Monty in his cricket gear is on the left and he is possibly wearing a deer stalker hat-I say "possibly" because the deerstalker has a peak,back and front and in this picture you cant see whether there is a peak at the back.The photo on the right,as seen in Don"s book, is of the Duke of Clarence.He is in shooting [deer] gear so I reckon he is definitely sporting a deer stalker!
Cheers
Norma

[Mike Covell]

Oh Deer!

I also have in my possession several pictures of the Duke Of Clarence in "Deer Huntin gear" from when he visited Tranby Croft, on the outskirts of Hull.

He has the very same stick too!!

[BillyE]

Hmmm... going back over my collection of pictures, all either in books, or my computer, the picture of J. K. Stephen I was thinking of was of him in a sporting uniform, but not in the same picture as Druitt. My mistake. Sorry. :-D

[Graham]

Oh Deer!

I also have in my possession several pictures of the Duke Of Clarence in "Deer Huntin gear" from when he visited Tranby Croft, on the outskirts of Hull.

He has the very same stick too!!

Hi Mike.

Wasn't Tranby Croft (now a conference centre, I believe) where The Prince Of Wales, later King Edward VII, got himself involved in some dirty dealing at cards which resulted in a major Society scandal? Some rotter accused of cheating, was it? If I remember correctly, the game being played was baccarat, which for some reason not known to non-gambling and ultra-pure little me was illegal in England at the time.

Cheers,

Graham

[Chris Scott]

Hi Billy
Here is a comparison between the two

[Mike Covell]

That would be right Graham, worse still the illegal game was played on the sabbath and it was alleged Major William Gordon Cumming was cheating, when confronted he is alleged to have stated it was a new method of play!

I am reading "The Royal Baccarat Scandal" by the RT Hon. Michael Havers, Edward Grayson, and Peter Shankland. It is a fantastic book, with loads of great details.

Another fine book to feature the scandal is "The Wilson's of Tranby Croft" which covers the family who once owned the estate, during the time of the scandal.

[Chris Scott]

I think this is the Stephen pic you mentioned

[Graham]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your reply. I also recall that HRH was called to give evidence or else, which must have chuffed the dissipated old bugger immensely!

Hi Chris,

My God, Druitt and Clarence could be twins! Now then - what I wonder could possibly be made of that? Unless it's just pure coincidence, of course...

Cheers,

Graham

[Graham]

I think this is the Stephen pic you mentioned

Chris,

That pair in front look like they could both have committed murder and pissed themselves laughing while they did it.

Graham