Why William Henry Bury may have been Jack

[GBinOz]

Hi George

I don't agree with what you are saying. We will have to agree to disagree. Although if Bury wasn't the Ripper who was? I still think Bury is like Sutcliffe was until he was finally caught. Eg dismissed as a serial killer despite being the best suspect.

Hi John,

I am perfectly fine with us agreeing to disagree. We all have our opinions. I see that as the reason we are here discussing them. You have selected your suspect on the basis of your assessment of the evidence. I don't know who the ripper was, but my assessment leads me to believe that it is unlikely to have been Bury. I don't have a preferred suspect, but have persons of interest, and persons who I have assessed as less likely. My likeliest person of interest is Mr U.N. Known. I would add that if Jack's victims are to be restricted to the C5, then the majority of the Whitechapel victims were at the hand(s) of others.

Cheers, George

[John Wheat]

OK John, so here it is for you, there is a time gap between Kelly's ans Ellen's murder too! 3 months John and no Killing, 3 months!!!! 3 months John


The Baron

It's not as large as the gap between Mckenzie and also Rose Mylett may have been a victim of Jack/Bury too.

[John Wheat]

Hi John,

I am perfectly fine with us agreeing to disagree. We all have our opinions. I see that as the reason we are here discussing them. You have selected your suspect on the basis of your assessment of the evidence. I don't know who the ripper was, but my assessment leads me to believe that it is unlikely to have been Bury. I don't have a preferred suspect, but have persons of interest, and persons who I have assessed as less likely. My likeliest person of interest is Mr U.N. Known. I would add that if Jack's victims are to be restricted to the C5, then the majority of the Whitechapel victims were at the hand(s) of others.

Cheers, George

Fair enough George.

Cheers John

[Sam Flynn]

I would add that if Jack's victims are to be restricted to the C5, then the majority of the Whitechapel victims were at the hand(s) of others.

Sometimes, pointing out the obvious makes a useful point... as this example demonstrates.

[FrankO]

Hi John,

I am perfectly fine with us agreeing to disagree. We all have our opinions. I see that as the reason we are here discussing them. You have selected your suspect on the basis of your assessment of the evidence. I don't know who the ripper was, but my assessment leads me to believe that it is unlikely to have been Bury. I don't have a preferred suspect, but have persons of interest, and persons who I have assessed as less likely. My likeliest person of interest is Mr U.N. Known. I would add that if Jack's victims are to be restricted to the C5, then the majority of the Whitechapel victims were at the hand(s) of others.

Cheers, George

Hi George,

I agree with you. Had Bury put his money more where his mouth was - or, as we say in Dutch: no words, but deeds - I might have been able to believe Bury was the Ripper. As it stands, the spoken & written words in the murder on his wife give me too much the impression that Bury wished to convey the notion that he was Jack the Ripper. Why, if he actually was him (or just wanted to be seen as him), didn't he let his knife speak more clearly?

Best regards,
Frank

[John Wheat]

Hi George,

I agree with you. Had Bury put his money more where his mouth was - or, as we say in Dutch: no words, but deeds - I might have been able to believe Bury was the Ripper. As it stands, the spoken & written words in the murder on his wife give me too much the impression that Bury wished to convey the notion that he was Jack the Ripper. Why, if he actually was him (or just wanted to be seen as him), didn't he let his knife speak more clearly?

Best regards,
Frank

Hi Frank

I'd suggest that Bury wanted to get away with Ellen Bury's murder and had he gone to town on Ellen Bury he would have no chance of getting away with Ellen's murder.

Cheers John

[FrankO]

Hi Frank

I'd suggest that Bury wanted to get away with Ellen Bury's murder and had he gone to town on Ellen Bury he would have no chance of getting away with Ellen's murder.

Cheers John

Hi John,

Thanks for your reaction. I can't say that what you say is impossible or implausible from a ration point of view, but I see the Ripper's desire to mutilate as his driving force and from that viewpoint I find it a bit hard to swallow that he would have settled for much less than he could have done and did to the other victims. Taken together with what I wrote in my previous post, I, for one, don't believe Bury was the Ripper. But I might well be wrong.

Cheers,
Frank

[John Wheat]

Hi John,

Thanks for your reaction. I can't say that what you say is impossible or implausible from a ration point of view, but I see the Ripper's desire to mutilate as his driving force and from that viewpoint I find it a bit hard to swallow that he would have settled for much less than he could have done and did to the other victims. Taken together with what I wrote in my previous post, I, for one, don't believe Bury was the Ripper. But I might well be wrong.

Cheers,
Frank

Hi Frank

It's important to note that the abdominal cuts were made sometime after Ellen Bury had been strangled. Maybe Bury/Jack couldn't resist some mutilation.

Cheers John

[Herlock Sholmes]

Just as an aside, people often bring up Mackenzie, it’s debatable and that’s fine. People bring up Tabram, it’s debatable and that’s fine. We discuss Stride (who only had her throat cut) it’s debatable and that’s fine. Why does no one mention Coles? A gap of time…yes, but I could suggest any number of speculated explanations for that.

[Lewis C]

Just as an aside, people often bring up Mackenzie, it’s debatable and that’s fine. People bring up Tabram, it’s debatable and that’s fine. We discuss Stride (who only had her throat cut) it’s debatable and that’s fine. Why does no one mention Coles? A gap of time…yes, but I could suggest any number of speculated explanations for that.

Hi Herlock,

In addition to the time gap, there's also the fact that Coles wasn't dead when her body was found, unlike the C5, Tabram and Mackenzie.

[Lewis C]

Regarding the time gap for Mackenzie, note that the murders of Tabram thru Eddowes all occurred in August or September. Kelly was killed indoors. Maybe JtK was inclined to kill outdoors only when it was fairly warm out. When is the next time that the average temperature in London is as warm as in late September? The first half of May, right? The time gap from then to Mackenzie's murder is a little over 2 months.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

In addition to the time gap, there's also the fact that Coles wasn't dead when her body was found, unlike the C5, Tabram and Mackenzie.

Hi Lewis,

True, but if it’s possible that Stride could have been interrupted then perhaps the same happened to Coles murderer?

[Lewis C]

Hi Lewis,

True, but if it’s possible that Stride could have been interrupted then perhaps the same happened to Coles murderer?

I think that it's very likely that Coles' killer was interrupted, but not before he cut her throat twice. My belief is that when the C5 and Mackenzie had their throats cut, they died immediately, but maybe we don't know that for sure.

[FrankO]

Hi Frank

It's important to note that the abdominal cuts were made sometime after Ellen Bury had been strangled. Maybe Bury/Jack couldn't resist some mutilation.

Cheers John

Hi John,

Even though what you write is true, it doesn't change my view. In fact, with all the writing and verbally suggesting he was the Ripper, the abdominal cuts give me the impression that he did that to suggest he was the Ripper. It all eems a bit too contrived to me. But that's just my view.

Cheers,
Frank

[John Wheat]

Hi John,

Even though what you write is true, it doesn't change my view. In fact, with all the writing and verbally suggesting he was the Ripper, the abdominal cuts give me the impression that he did that to suggest he was the Ripper. It all eems a bit too contrived to me. But that's just my view.

Cheers,
Frank

Hi Frank

Fair enough. Obviously I don't agree but fair enough.

Cheers John