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  • #16
    Originally posted by JeffHamm View Post

    Hi George,

    I doubt it, but I suppose it's possible she brought it up during conversation. To me, though, I see it as she gave that when she was booked, and it sounds like she was pretty drunk so she may not have even recalled saying that at the time when she was released. I'm sure she's got better stories to regale a punter with as well.

    In the GSG, the "will not be blamed for nothing" reminds me of how, when I was growing up, we sometimes used "nothing" for "anything", as in "I'm not doing nothing" meant "I'm not doing anything", so the GSG could be using it similarly, but in the entire context, is basically accusing the Jews of not accepting blame for anything (so antisemitic).

    However, if one got in trouble even though it was your brother who did whatever it was, then you might tell your friends you "got grounded for nothing", which would mean you got grounded for not doing anything, and it carried the idea of "without reason", so I think the GSG could also be saying there's a reason to blame the Jews, which again is antisemitic.

    While both are similar in many ways, the exact concept is different. And, although ambiguous as to which translation would be the more accurate (if either), both come out suggeting a gentile author. Now, whether or not that was Eddowes' killer, ... Who knows? We can't even figure out exactly what it says, let alone who is saying it.

    - Jeff
    Hi Jeff,

    I agree that there would be better stories to regale a punter, unless he was actually more than a punter and more of a friend or acquaintance. What the GSG means is an enigma, but consider "The Juwes are not the men who will be blamed for Cathy". Is the GSG a cryptic message saying that the Jews who interrupted his murder of Stride will not be blamed for Eddows, even though that interruption was the cause of the second murder that night? More speculation, I know, but from a different angle.

    Cheers, George
    “Contrariwise,” continued Tweedledee, “if it was so, it might be, and if it were so, it would be but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s logic.”

    Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again. - Andre Gide

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

      Hi erobitha,

      I'm not suggesting police involvement. I'm thinking that maybe Eddows was sufficiently acquainted with JtR to relate the story of her incarceration to him, along the lines of "when the copper asked for my name I told him it was nothing".

      Cheers, George
      I see. It’s possible I suppose. An odd piece of information to share with a stranger or a vague acquaintance though would you not think?

      She did give a name in the end, even if it was false, so then she would be sharing the fact she said ‘nothing’ and then gave a false name. Seems a bit of an odd thing to share to me.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Wiggins View Post
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        Something else that came to mind about these knife drawings was something you said about that somewhat sinister and bizarre massive E that bury inked for the postcode of the letter to Ellen's sister - the horizontal bars looking a bit like blades. Also his rather odd crossing out of that mistake.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Wiggins View Post
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          Something that caught my eye about this one - a week before that lee pond incident in Bow - was he clearing up? Not a fan of the torso theory really.Perhaps there was something about this victim that meant it would lead back to the assailant somehow if found in whitechapel?

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          • #20
            Something else that came to mind about these knife drawings was something you said about that somewhat sinister and bizarre massive E that bury inked for the postcode of the letter to Ellen's sister - the horizontal bars looking a bit like blades. Also his rather odd crossing out of that mistake.
            Thanks Wulf, I put below what you mean for others benefit.
            These snippets are from a letter Bury wrote to Ellens sister retained by the police.

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            • #21
              if any of the suspects might have written messages Bury is a good bet.
              I agree the impression I get he was proud of his writing, such as forging a letter of employment in a copperplate (rounded schoolboy?) hand to help convince his wife to leave London in a hurry.

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              • #22
                Perhaps there was something about this victim that meant it would lead back to the assailant somehow if found in whitechapel?
                Wulf, I would like to know happened to Kate Spooner, at the court Martin said she was dead and buried? Which got a laugh from the crowd.
                But did he mean more literaly than we think.
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