"...but because you are going to hang me you will get nothing out of me..."

[curious]

To Curious

I agree with what your saying as regards Ellen Bury's murder. Bury going back to mutilate Ellen is like the actions of known serial killers. As opposed to a drunken wife beater who went too far and ended up killing his wife.

Cheers John

Exactly, John.

Plus, there's the question -- WHY kill her at all? WHY move her to Dundee?

Once he had spent her money, all he had to do was pick up her little basket of jewelry and leave.

UNLESS . . .

curious

[John Wheat]

To Curious

I agree with what your saying as regards Ellen Bury's murder. Bury going back to mutilate Ellen is like the actions of known serial killers. As opposed to a drunken wife beater who went too far and ended up killing his wife.

Cheers John

[curious]

Bury is at least a proven murderer and one who used a knife to mutilate. Admittedly the mutilations were not as extreme as the majority of the Ripper murders.

Good Morning, John,
An aspect I found particularly interesting was William Beadle's side-by-side comparisons of the injuries to Ellen Elliott Bury and those of the canonical five victims. The similarities are eerie.

As you would expect with six victims and various doctors describing the wounds, there are variations, but . . .

Also, Bury going back to cut on Ellen is very like the actions of known serial killers.

curious

[John Wheat]

To DRoy

With all due respect there is a complete lack of tangible evidence against the majority of suspects. Bury is at least a proven murderer and one who used a knife to mutilate. Admittedly the mutilations were not as extreme as the majority of the Ripper murders.

As for posting on other threads I have posted on other threads and looked at other suspects. I even started a thread asking for info on Wentworth Bellsmith one of the more obscure Ripper suspects and one that we know very little about.

[curious]

Hell John(s), all
One thing this thread has gotten me thinking on is Bury's supposed ability and or use of writing in a different hand. He forged an offer of employment correct? Does anyone know if this document was written by Bury in a different hand than his other known writings?

If he has a history of writing in different styles than eventhough the dear boss letters do not appear to match Bury's other handwriting, it would open the possibility that he did write them in a differnent hand. We had already pointed out the connection between Burys use (and perhaps fixation upon) of the word clever in his supposed statement to the hangman and also the Dear Boss opening. A Psychopathic serial killers common trait seems to be an overwhelming sense of superiority-that they are so much smarter than evryone else-almost an obsession with it. Bury strikes me as an individual who definitely had this charactaristic.

Hello, Abby,
It seems that the testimony that Bury could write in different hands came from Ellen Bury's sister, Margaret Corney, when she testified against William Henry Bury at his trial in Dundee.

Other interesting information about Bury's whereabouts on the nights of the Ripper murders came from crime reporter Norman Hastings, via William Beadle's "Jack the Ripper Unmasked."

Also, when the police checked on Bury (again according to Hastings) they learned that he walked about "very quietly and had often frightened people by his silent approach," which called to mind a person who reported him going about outdoors in his slippers.

All intriguingly reminiscent of JtR.

curious

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Dave VV

As you say, Bury will always be a viable suspect, nothing more, nothing less...almost unique amongst the other named suspects he's a proven killer...so he's probably deserving of closer attention than he usually gets...

Knife crime is bloody rare anyway in 1888 Whitechapel, but here's this guy....

All the best

Dave

[DVV]

Bury will ever be a viable suspect, nothing more, nothing less.

[DRoy]

Boggles & Wheat,

Haha! Great posts!

Why is he not a top suspect? Because there is no evidence that supports it. That simple. He's still a good suspect in my opinion based on what we know but there is nothing to move him past that. Nothing. The problem is making the suspect fit the evidence instead of having the evidence lead you to a suspect.

Although i've invited you to other threads, i've yet to see a post from either of you. Perhaps there is something in the actual evidence that will help prove or disprove your opinions. However, only hanging out in the Bury thread is only going to blind you. Do either of you even know the evidence in which you base your suspect on? Thats a rhetorical question.

Cheers
DRoy

[John Wheat]

To Boggles

As for DRoy I wasn't expecting anything back from him. Some people have a habit of saying things and then not backing them up.

Cheers John

[Boggles]

Why in your opinion is Bury not one of the top suspects?

John, dont bother - because you are going to hang him you wont get nothing from him

[Boggles]

Bury Posse doesn't like people talking on their threads unless a Bury supporter

Well I PMd Dave in the past specifically requesting him to keep and eye and help lend his ideas and critical thinking to some of my threads. I cant speak for others but i appreciate all opinions - the reason why i personally dont like your contributions Droy is you because i find you immature but this will pass with age come back when you've grown up a little and can have a mature discussion.

[John Wheat]

To DRoy

Why in your opinion is Bury not one of the top suspects?

Cheers John

[DRoy]

Dave,

Be careful, the Bury Posse doesn't like people talking on their threads unless a Bury supporter. I'm sure you like me at least acknowledge he is a suspect and should be but without further support/evidence he will most likely stay that way. Better than a lot of suspects but not one of the top.

Rats, I wasn't supposed to look at Bury for a year. However, seeing you Dave comment I had to see what you had to say.

Cheers
DRoy

[Cogidubnus]

Hi John

Fair enough so long as the evidence is respected and we all try to keep an open mind!

All the best mate

Dave

[John Wheat]

To Cogidudnus
I was merely writing a point I had been pontificating when I typed If Bury wasn't Jack why would he go to the trouble of moving to Dundee to murder Ellen? Hopefully to get some debate on the matter.
Also as reguards to the chalked messages it is my opinion that Bury wrote them. I could be wrong.