The broken window

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

No personal abuse, I assure you.

Merely a statement of fact.

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

No personal abuse, I assure you.

Merely a statement of fact.

Well that continues to be personal abuse Simon.

You clearly don't like it when someone stands up to you do you?

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

I'll be sure to let you know the next time somebody does.

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

Hi David,

I'll be sure to let you know the next time somebody does.

No, don't bother.

[Abby Normal]

Hi David,

I'll be sure to let you know the next time somebody does.

Regards,

Simon

Oh someone just did Simon...again. And once again your true colors come shining through.

[Jon Guy]

"Valuable research"?

Yes.

Which bit don`t you understand ?

[Jon Guy]

Yes.

Which bit don`t you understand ?

Hello again Pierre

This is the sort of thing I had in mind, perhaps you can help ?

Dr JR Gabe is listed as a gynaecologist and paediatrician in the Jack The Ripper A-Z. Does anyone have a copy to hand to see if a source is given ?

[Phil Carter]

Interesting old Casebook page about the whereabouts of J.R.Gabe in the censuses..etc..

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4926/13452.html

In 1889-1892 he is listed as a doctor and medical officer for the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.


Herewith part of Don Souden's dissertation on Casebook.

"One of those sources of information was Dr. J. R. Gabe of Mecklenburgh Square, whose name appears in early stories about the murder as one of the physicians immediately called to Miller's Court. The November 10, 1888, Daily Telegraph account included: "Dr. J. R. Gabe, who viewed the body, said he had seen a great deal in dissecting rooms, but he had never witnessed such a horrible sight as the murdered woman presented." The first reports of the murder scene in other newspapers were also clearly provided by Gabe, and his comments colored press coverage globally. The details were often graphic. The New York Herald quoted him saying, in part: "Below the neck the trunk suggested a sheep's carcass in a slaughter house." "


Herewith more of the man.

JOHN REES GABE, Deceased.


Pursuant to the Law of Property Amendment Act, 1859.


NOTICE is hereby given, that all creditors and other persons having any claims or demands against the estate of John Rees Gabe, late of 4, formerly 3, Mecklenburgh-square, London, W.C., Physician and Surgeon, deceased, (who died on the 2nd day of March, 1920, and whose will was proved in the Principal Registry of the Probate Division of His Majesty’s High Court of Justice, on the 7th day of July, 1920, by Ivor Stanley Gabe and Winifred Agnes Gabe, the executors therein named), are hereby required to send the particulars, in writing, of their claims or demands to me, the undersigned, as Solicitor for the said executors, on or before the 27th day of August, 1920, after which date the said executors will proceed to distribute the assets of the said deceased amongst the persons entitled thereto, having regard only to the debts, claims and demands of which he shall then have had notice; and he will not be liable for the assets of the said deceased, or any part thereof, so distributed, to any person or persons of whose claims or demands he shall not then have had notice. – Dated this 27th day of July, 1920.



JOHN J. McINTYRE, 401/3, Birkbeck-chambers, Holborn, W.C.I, Solicitor for the said Executors.






Phil

[Debra A]

Dr Gabe and his wife and daughter ( and a servant) were actually living at the dispensary address of 21 Church St Spitalfields on the 1881 census as David mentioned.
In 1891 there are also a number of people living there, showing it was a residential address.

The Manchester times of 10th Nov reports that Dr Gabe lived in the area and was brought in to look at the body.

[David Orsam]

Interesting old Casebook page about the whereabouts of J.R.Gabe in the censuses..etc..

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4926/13452.html

That thread seems to have overlooked the most interesting information from the 1891 census namely the birthplace of Dr Gabe's two daughters:

Caroline M daughter single 10 born Spitalfields

Winnifred A daughter 7 born Spitalfields

When Dr Gabe married in March 1880 he entered his address in the register as 21 Church Street, Spitalfields, and, as Debra has mentioned, was still living there at the time of the 1881 census. When Winnifred was baptised in August 1883 the same Church Street address was entered in the register.

The Western Mail of 9 April 1885 reported that Dr Gabe's 25 year old brother, Harry, who was, at the time, said to have been a medical student at London Hospital, and a medical assistant to the London Dispensary in Spitalfields, died over Easter at Dr Gabe's London residence. As Harry's death was registered in St Pancras, I deduce that Dr Gabe had moved to Mecklenburgh Square by this time.

The real point of interest for our purposes I guess is whether Dr Gabe, in 1888, retained any links with the London Dispensary.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

1888 Post Office Street Directory—



On Easter Day 1885 brother Harry, aged 24, died at 16 Mecklenburgh Square.

Dr. Gabe was living at this address in 1886, when his son Ivor Stanley was born, and continued to live there until at least 1917.

In The Times, March 29th 1888, Dr. Gabe was reported to be surgeon to the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Young Children at 7 Harpur Street, Bloomsbury, half a mile from Mecklenburgh Square.



Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

In case it is unclear, no-one, least of all me, is denying that Dr Gabe resided in Mecklenburgh Square from at least 1885 onwards, including 1888, nor that he was the surgeon for the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Young Children. But, like I said earlier, he was living a stone's throw from Dorset Street between at least 1880 and 1883 and possibly up to 1885.

[Debra A]

Dr Gabe also simultaneously had links to an address at Farringdon St (76 I think) in the 80s and beyond, it's given in some directories and electoral registers.
Given that the Church St address was also residential as shown by the census returns could it be that Dr Gabe kept an apartment there after his move to Mecklenburgh Sq?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Debra,

Am I sensing the onset of yet another Ripperological leap of logic?

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

What I'm wondering - and I don't know if it's a leap of logic - is whether Dr Gabe retained a link with the London Dispensary, just around the corner from Dorset Street, during 1888. Is it possible that he could have held a surgery there one day a week? Perhaps every Friday?