The broken window

[Rosella]

Kate Eddowes reward for naming Jack wouldn't have been non-existent. The philanthropist Samuel Montagu offered a reward of £100 after Annie Chapman was killed. He was MP for Tower Hamlets. A row occurred with the Home Office over the offering of this and rewards in general, but Montagu said he was honour bound to stand by it. £100 doesn't seem much today but it would have been a fortune to Kate.

[DJA]

I think the victims all living close by indicates the murderer was also connected to the area and very well may have been known to mcccarthy. So McCarthy being warned is a possibility in my opinion

Reckon our Jack was well known to his victims and some police.

Likewise,McCarthy to the police.

Have a good look at the CV5's addresses prior to their deaths.

Nichols moves next door to Kate.

Kate goes hopping.

Chapman,several doors from Mary Kelly dies.

Kate returns looking for a non existent reward.

Liz moves from Dorset Street to Flower and Dean,several doors from Kate.

Liz leaves for the night about the same time Kate is arrested.....

Kate is found with a card for a guy named Carter.

Chap with the same name is a Royal Engineer.
Think tunneling and broad shoulders.

Warren,an ex Royal Engineer,shows interest in Packer's description of events.
Packer changes his times and is discredited.

[Rosella]

McCarthy seems to have been very fond of money. Surely, Rocky, if he knew Jack's identity all those reward notices would be flashing before his eyes. All told, the rewards money must have totalled a tidy sum by the time Mary was killed, more than enough for a greedy landlord operating in a slum.

[RockySullivan]

Just for jolly,imagine the scenario where McCarthy has been forewarned not to interfere with anything that happens.

I think the victims all living close by indicates the murderer was also connected to the area and very well may have been known to mcccarthy. So McCarthy being warned is a possibility in my opinion

[packers stem]

As I said PS, I believe a photo exists that shows a few breaks in the 2 sets of windows, and only 1 pane broken at the bottom right.. closest to the corner of the room. That is the only one that one might use to access the latch...and for that reason, I suspect the keyless couple created that particular break intentionally.

Hi Michael
Have a good look at the photo.
It shows a shadow at the doorway almost vertical... Impossible for November in the UK
I suspect the photo was taken some length of time after the event,judging by the shadow I'd say midday in June.it certainly wasn't taken on a dreary,drizzly day in November

[DJA]

Agreed...McCarthys lack of help is a concern...he looked through the window himself!!
Even if he didn't have a spare key, which I don't believe,he knew the lay out, the door and the lock

Just for jolly,imagine the scenario where McCarthy has been forewarned not to interfere with anything that happens.

[c.d.]

Just as an offhand thought I would say that not all broken windows are created equal. There might be some that you would be willing to put your hand through and others where it would seem not to be such a good idea.

c.d.

[DJA]

We don't know which of the two lower panes was broken

Both damaged panes were on the right side.

The lower one was missing about one third,from the top right down.

[c.d.]

People say..oh..you are just looking for a problem where there isn't one.
In this case...that's my point. There isn't a problem opening that door. But by the most amazing set of circumstances. .opening the door BECAME a problem.
That is what is most unbelievable. The solution was at hand. The solution was simple. Yet..no.

And the worst thing is that there were people on hand to know the answer. It was staring them straight in the face.

Which is where I suggest that the delay in opening that door takes on a whole new meaning.

But then

Some people around here see all of the above as quite quite normal.

I don't. Sorry.

Hello Phil,

I have to disagree. What was staring them in the face was the bloody, butchered corpse of Mary Kelly. I think even the most experienced and hardened policeman might be forgiven for not thinking clearly under the circumstances. Certainly a much simpler explanation than something more suspicious and sinister.

c.d.

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Michael
We don't know which of the two lower panes was broken

As I said PS, I believe a photo exists that shows a few breaks in the 2 sets of windows, and only 1 pane broken at the bottom right.. closest to the corner of the room. That is the only one that one might use to access the latch...and for that reason, I suspect the keyless couple created that particular break intentionally.

[packers stem]

It was a spring latch Jon, one that was engaged when "off". The latch needed to be set to be in effect. I have this theory about the broken window...because I believe in actuality there were three holes in the 2 sets of windows, one one the panes to the far left, one high on the right side, and one down by the lower right hand corner..the one that it is alleged Barnett used when they left the latch engaged and went out.

Heres my theory...I think they intentionally broke the one that Barnett used because they did indeed lose their key and didnt want to leave the room unlocked when they went out. It seems to convenient for it to have been the one that was accidentally broken during a row. I believe the broken window that occurred in a row was one of the 2 higher breaks.

Cheers

Hi Michael
We don't know which of the two lower panes was broken

[packers stem]

Have you seen this link?

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4921/6718.html

Scroll down to the bottom for an example of the type of lock it may have been.

Hi Wickerman
That looks like it makes sense. Works in the same way as a yale but more in keeping with the time

[Michael W Richards]

Have you seen this link?

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4921/6718.html

Scroll down to the bottom for an example of the type of lock it may have been.

It was a spring latch Jon, one that was engaged when "off". The latch needed to be set to be in effect. I have this theory about the broken window...because I believe in actuality there were three holes in the 2 sets of windows, one one the panes to the far left, one high on the right side, and one down by the lower right hand corner..the one that it is alleged Barnett used when they left the latch engaged and went out.

Heres my theory...I think they intentionally broke the one that Barnett used because they did indeed lose their key and didnt want to leave the room unlocked when they went out. It seems to convenient for it to have been the one that was accidentally broken during a row. I believe the broken window that occurred in a row was one of the 2 higher breaks.

Cheers

[Wickerman]

Evening to you all
With every day that passes I find I'm believing Barnett's story less and less and that's where the whole lost key,arm through window stuff comes from...
If we're thinking mortice lock and latch a bit similar to old back doors then there HAS TO BE A MISSING KEY as they would have tried the latch.
Surely wouldn't have been a yale type lock in those days...maybe at the top end of society but not in McCarthys rents... We need to see the door lol

Have you seen this link?

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4921/6718.html

Scroll down to the bottom for an example of the type of lock it may have been.

[David Orsam]

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From Wiki:

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