Parson Street?

[Geddy2112]

"Charles Allen Cross, a carman, in the employ of Messrs. Pickford, said - On Friday morning I left home at half past three. I went down Parson Street, crossed Brady Street, and through Buck's row. I was alone."

From one version of Cross' testimony Morning Advertiser 4th September 1888.

https://unsolvedwhitechapel.wordpress.com/tag/parson-street/

https://thenewabberline.wordpress.com/2019/10/13/parson-street/

It's clear (from other mentions on this site) that Parson Street did not or does not exist in relation to Doveton Street and Bucks Row. I've read a few sites claiming the obviously misheard journalist which seems a constant in this case but is Barnsley Street a real alternative? If Barnsley Street is the correct term then it would explain one issue of why Robert Paul did not cross paths with Charles Cross.
What other explanations are there for Parson Street and this to me seems a rather unlikely route?

[rjpalmer]

"Charles Allen Cross, a carman, in the employ of Messrs. Pickford, said - On Friday morning I left home at half past three. I went down Parson Street, crossed Brady Street, and through Buck's row. I was alone."

Strange to say, there is a single, solitary reference to Parson Street, Bethnal Green in the archives of the Old Bailey (from 1877) but it also appears to be a mistake.

The context is that it was the location of the Turk's Head Pub, but that was in Brick Lane.

[rjpalmer]

Wouldn't 'Darling' be more likely to be misheard as 'Parson' than 'Bath' or 'Barnsley'??

Crossmere could have wrongly called it Darling Street instead of Darling Row

[Geddy2112]

Wouldn't 'Darling' be more likely to be misheard as 'Parson' than 'Bath' or 'Barnsley'??

Crossmere could have wrongly called it Darling Street instead of Darling Row

Not sure what a 'Cockney' accent was like 130 years ago but I can't see how they got Barnsley from Parson. Darling is closer and more appropriate for his route. Goes to show how difficult it is to know what went on with typos, misquotes and mishearing information.

[Geddy2112]

The context is that it was the location of the Turk's Head Pub, but that was in Brick Lane.

I wonder if Brick Lane was known as Parsons etc to the locals. As a kid I can remember a few streets or businesses called by different names that had usually been passed down from generation to generation. Odd in this instance that Lechmere would know such info since he'd only lived there a short while unless he delivered to Mr Parsons who lived on X street. Hence he referred to it as Parsons street. Not because that was the name of the street but rather the name of someone who lived there.

Or did he mean the cut through next to St Bart's Church as the 'Parson' would live there? 'I went down the Parson's Street'

[rjpalmer]

Goes to show how difficult it is to know what went on with typos, misquotes and mishearing information.

Indeed. I've seen it seriously suggested, as I'm sure you have, that Crossmere deliberately mumbled at the inquest to obscure his name and address. I haven't seen this same remarkable suggestion extended to include 'Robert Baul.'

By the way, the following dates to 1883, but might give us some small insight into the state of Darling Row. I'm of the opinion there is no 'missing time' (except what Robert Paul injected into the chronology), but wouldn't having to negotiate the hellscape below in pitch darkness tend to slow one down??

[JeffHamm]

There is a similar weirdness with Long's address, which I think is quoted as Church Street, Whitechapel, but there wasn't a Church Street in Whitechapel. There was an older thread where people tried to track her down, and a few suggestions were made, the most probable being Church Street, Bethnal Green. I seem to recall, though, there were 3 locations suggested as her possible residence. All of them would have her passing Hanbury Street at about 5:15 rather than 5:30 (she says she left at 5:00 ish), so unless there is one even further away, there is something not quite right in those reports. Where lies the source of error is anybody's guess.

Hmm, maybe this is proof of Jill the Ripper?

- Jeff

[DJA]

AKA Edward Hyde

[Lewis C]

There is a similar weirdness with Long's address, which I think is quoted as Church Street, Whitechapel, but there wasn't a Church Street in Whitechapel. There was an older thread where people tried to track her down, and a few suggestions were made, the most probable being Church Street, Bethnal Green. I seem to recall, though, there were 3 locations suggested as her possible residence. All of them would have her passing Hanbury Street at about 5:15 rather than 5:30 (she says she left at 5:00 ish), so unless there is one even further away, there is something not quite right in those reports. Where lies the source of error is anybody's guess.

Hmm, maybe this is proof of Jill the Ripper?

- Jeff

My best guess is that Long really did pass Hanbury Street at 5:15. That fits a little better with Cadosch's account than 5:30.

[JeffHamm]

My best guess is that Long really did pass Hanbury Street at 5:15. That fits a little better with Cadosch's account than 5:30.

I've also suggested the same as to me that makes the most sense of the information we have. I would be more confident, but not certain (one should almost never be certain when it comes to JtR), if her residence could be more definitively located.

- Jeff