April 2014 Murder site pictures

[Prot]

Hi all,

Newbie here, name's Dave, nice to meet you all. Popped to Whitechapel the other week, doing some research for a project I'm working on involving our Jack, but wanted to post the pictures (especially the mitre square ones, which I was shocked to see has had so many buildings pulled down around it since I last saw it a couple of years back!).

Durward Street (Buck's Row)


Hanbury Street


Berner Street aka Henriques Street


Mitre Square


What's left of Miller's Court of course


It's very interesting when you visit these sites on your own walk, there's this immense sense of history you get from doing it, and while you don't get any sense of good feeling due to the nature of the events, it is still fascinating in a macabre way I guess.

Anyhow, would be wonderful to meet up one day with folks off here to discuss all our 'alternate' theories and develop new friendships.

Anyway, hope to get to know you all soon enough, kind regards,

Dave

[moonbegger]

Some good photo's Dave, Welcome to the Jungle .

Moonbegger .

[GUT]

G'day Dave

Great First post.


Enjoy casebook, there is a real wealth of knowledge here.

[John Wheat]

Thanks for the photos.

Welcome to the Casebook Dave.

Cheers John

[Hatchett]

Hi,

Thanks for the Pics. I liked them.

[kensei]

Thanks Dave, I'm going there in July and have been wondering what access to the sites is like now so I needed to see these. I've been there twice before in 2004 and 2008, and in '08 I did the solo walking tour and like you said it is a fascinating experience for anyone interested in the case. At the former Miller's Court I see you were up in the car park. Is that the only way to get close now? And by the way, those green doors- are those bricked up now for some reason?

[Monty]

The car park is now closed, pending demolition.

Monty

[Sam Flynn]

The car park is now closed, pending demolition.

What's going there instead, Mont? Can't say I saw much wrong with the car park itself, so I presume it's not another car park!

[Prot]

At the former Miller's Court I see you were up in the car park. Is that the only way to get close now? And by the way, those green doors- are those bricked up now for some reason?

It was the bank holiday when I was there, so I presume the business was just shut for the day, but I don't think you can get down there, as gates are at either end, so I popped in the car park to look down on it all. Quite shocked if they are knocking the car park down too, couldn't see much wrong with it myself.

Thanks for all the warm welcomes too.

Dave

[Monty]

What's going there instead, Mont? Can't say I saw much wrong with the car park itself, so I presume it's not another car park!

http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Issued%2520conservation%2520area%2520consent.pdf&sa=U&ei=PgxwU4HeM8X6PLvrgIgF&ved=0CA0QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNH8L87m5h5bBg31GSnXZRUkPgG3Sg

Monty

[Barnaby]

Aside from Buck's Row and perhaps Mitre Square, as someone educated on the case but not at all on the present geography, these pictures give me pause as whether or not I'd want to travel to the UK to do a Ripper tour. Of course very little is even remotely similar to 1888, but have we lost so much that it isn't even worth it assuming you know the story and aren't taking the tour to be entertained by that? Or, does enough remain that someone with a general knowledge of the case would learn things about the general physical layout of things by visiting even today?

[Fisherman]

Aside from Buck's Row and perhaps Mitre Square, as someone educated on the case but not at all on the present geography, these pictures give me pause as whether or not I'd want to travel to the UK to do a Ripper tour. Of course very little is even remotely similar to 1888, but have we lost so much that it isn't even worth it assuming you know the story and aren't taking the tour to be entertained by that? Or, does enough remain that someone with a general knowledge of the case would learn things about the general physical layout of things by visiting even today?

The murder sites as such have changed, yes. But I still think that it is of the essence to do the tour in order to understand the overall picture. Itīs not until you do that you get a real feel for it.

Just my take, of course, but I have walked the East End streets many times, beginning in the 1970:s, actually (by mistake - I took the wrong tube line), and I always find new things to add to the picture.

The best,
Fisherman

[El White Chap]

Nice photos Dave, good job and welcome to casebook.

To anyone put off by the lack of cobblestone, gas lights and 'fog'...Yes the sites have changed of course, it's been a bloody good 125 years since!
However, take a tour at night and you still can get a very good impression of how the locations were during the Victorian era and also grasp the distances between sites giving one a much richer awareness of the geography, paths and last but not least, walk in the steps of ol' Jack

[moonbegger]

Well said White Chap ,
The real history of London is not necessarily found in its Bricks and mortar , its an overwhelming vibe , and sense of history that attaches itself to all historical sites such as these , our darkest fears and curiosity's become instantly elevated , but only , if we are prepared to acknowledge them and let them wash over us . I have walked the fields at Flanders , also stood on the Grassy knol in Dallas , very emotive and powerful locations indeed .. But I still remember the goose bumps that hit me when I first walked down Bucks row ( Durward ) in 1981 .. Even today I find it one of the most chilling and atmospheric murder sites , From the actual murder spot , looking south west , you are looking at the same bricks and mortar (wall and School) that was witnessed by Polly and the Ripper .. What more do people want from a 125 year old murder site ???

On a final note .. Visit these places in the rain , London's history awakens in the rain , it takes on a new , almost timeless life .

cheers ,

Moonbegger ( Maybe its because I'm a Londoner , that I love London so )

[Cogidubnus]

Hi prot (Dave)

Thank you for those photos...things evolve...life goes on...but I think some of the atmosphere remains regardless, and your pictures do seem to capture what there is of it left to find...

Welcome to Casebook mate and I honestly hope you get as much out of it as I have...

All the best

(Another) Dave