Has Anyone Produced Simulations of the Whitechapel Murders?

[Filby]

The Stride/BS forum has got me again trying to mentally compare theories of what likely happened. Has anyone produced animated simulations of the murders? It would be very interesting to digitally visualize the events leading up to, during and after to support or compare theories if it can be produced respectfully.

[Wickerman]

The problem with simulations is we only have one witness account of what happened to Stride moments before she was found dead, and that story is not accepted by all students of the case.
Essentially, what we have is : Schwartz - BS man - Assault - (blank) - Diemschutz discovery.
Or, Packer - Stride - PC Smith - (blank) - Diemschutz discovery.

In both cases directly before Diemschutz's discovery we do not know what Stride was doing, or who she was with, if anyone.

[barnflatwyngarde]

The Stride/BS forum has got me again trying to mentally compare theories of what likely happened. Has anyone produced animated simulations of the murders? It would be very interesting to digitally visualize the events leading up to, during and after to support or compare theories if it can be produced respectfully.

A few years ago I suggested that one constructive way to take the case forward would be to create an accurate simulation of the scenes of the murders, with accurate street distances, and buildings etc.

This would settle many disputes on the case, eg. the distances involved in the murder of Annie Nichols.

No one seemed to think my idea had any merit, but I still feel that it would be a major advance in the case.

[Tab]

A few years ago I suggested that one constructive way to take the case forward would be to create an accurate simulation of the scenes of the murders, with accurate street distances, and buildings etc.

This would settle many disputes on the case, eg. the distances involved in the murder of Annie Nichols.

No one seemed to think my idea had any merit, but I still feel that it would be a major advance in the case.

If someone could create Victorian Whitechapel using Unreal Engine that would be amazing. We could then actually walk/run around the area and get a real feel for timings etc. Would be amazing using an oculus.

[Kattrup]

If someone could create Victorian Whitechapel using Unreal Engine that would be amazing. We could then actually walk/run around the area and get a real feel for timings etc. Would be amazing using an oculus.

Actually, RichardH has done amazing work on this, check out his website jtr3d.com https://jtr3d.com

A major problem is in the scarcity of reliable depictions of the scenes.

[JeffHamm]

The Stride/BS forum has got me again trying to mentally compare theories of what likely happened. Has anyone produced animated simulations of the murders? It would be very interesting to digitally visualize the events leading up to, during and after to support or compare theories if it can be produced respectfully.

I made some attempts to create time line animations, which might be of use. There's a sticky topic, at the top of the Scene of the Crimes sections, where you can find links to the videos. They're not perfect, nor are they presented as the "one and only", but all the same I'm pretty pleased with them on the whole.

- Jeff

[Scott Nelson]

Yes, you've done some great work, Jeff. There's also the articles by Gavin Bromley, Neil Bell and Rob Clack, among others, in the Ripperologist magazine.

[erobitha]

I will state that I thought that Jeff made a real concerted effort to produce accurate simulations as best as he could from the data available.

As others have stated in the Stride case, the witnesses report conflicts with each other. Who arbitrates whose testimony is more accurate?

[Filby]

I will state that I thought that Jeff made a real concerted effort to produce accurate simulations as best as he could from the data available.

As others have stated in the Stride case, the witnesses report conflicts with each other. Who arbitrates whose testimony is more accurate?

No one has to decide whom is right or wrong, just would be an interesting addition to consider for those of us who would like to actually see the various opinions.

[Filby]

I made some attempts to create time line animations, which might be of use. There's a sticky topic, at the top of the Scene of the Crimes sections, where you can find links to the videos. They're not perfect, nor are they presented as the "one and only", but all the same I'm pretty pleased with them on the whole.

- Jeff

Oh, thank you! I'll def. take a look.

[Filby]

If someone could create Victorian Whitechapel using Unreal Engine that would be amazing. We could then actually walk/run around the area and get a real feel for timings etc. Would be amazing using an oculus.

Yes, totally agree. That was my thought is to get an authentic feel for the era, events and time of day etc with different perspectives of the events leading up to the crimes, and after such as projected escape routes etc. Might also help alleviate time discrepancies.

[Fiver]

Yes, totally agree. That was my thought is to get an authentic feel for the era, events and time of day etc with different perspectives of the events leading up to the crimes, and after such as projected escape routes etc. Might also help alleviate time discrepancies.

Jeff Hamm has done some simulations.

[richardh]

Actually, RichardH has done amazing work on this, check out his website jtr3d.com https://jtr3d.com

A major problem is in the scarcity of reliable depictions of the scenes.

If someone could create Victorian Whitechapel using Unreal Engine that would be amazing. We could then actually walk/run around the area and get a real feel for timings etc. Would be amazing using an oculus.

That's what I've been up to for the last few years - trying to recreate the locations for VR.
See my website and these links for some of the stuff I've been faffing with:
website - https://jtr3d.com
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@canonical5
VR Sansar Miller's Court WIP - https://atlas.sansar.com/experiences...ions-6663/no13
VR Sansar Mitre Square WIP - https://atlas.sansar.com/experiences...itechapel-1888

It's a lot of hard work - enjoyable - but hard and not many people have VR and so not many visit/use the VR experiences which is a pity.

It would certainly be possible for me to create a complete 3D VR tour of the locations given enough time.

[Filby]

That's what I've been up to for the last few years - trying to recreate the locations for VR.
See my website and these links for some of the stuff I've been faffing with:
website - https://jtr3d.com
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@canonical5
VR Sansar Miller's Court WIP - https://atlas.sansar.com/experiences...ions-6663/no13
VR Sansar Mitre Square WIP - https://atlas.sansar.com/experiences...itechapel-1888

It's a lot of hard work - enjoyable - but hard and not many people have VR and so not many visit/use the VR experiences which is a pity.

It would certainly be possible for me to create a complete 3D VR tour of the locations given enough time.

These recreations are amazing and help me gather a sense of East End and the perspective of space/time. For instance; The IWEC club locale and size; for some reason I had envisioned it much larger, reasonably a bit of a distance from the murder site. With visualization, it really helps the perspective of how close it actually was, that is was really a rather small building, and changes the whole paradigm on how I think what may have happened.