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  • Originally posted by Fiver View Post

    For the Nichols murder, Robert Paul had to be tracked down by the police. PC Thain saw a couple men "down Brady-Street shortly before I was called by Neale.​" Mulshaw was told of the murder by an unknown man. Mrs Lilley heard two people in Bucks Row around 3:30am. An unknown man passed by shortly after the body was found.

    None of them came forward and talked to the police.
    Paul left the scene with the intention of alerting a policeman. The other obvious difference was that his tracking down was successful. Paul attended the inquest. After adjourning the Stride inquest for many days, we see no sign of Pipeman. Another ghost.
    Andrew's the man, who is not blamed for nothing

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    • Originally posted by c.d. View Post

      ID him as what? An arm puller?
      How many things do the "the police believed him and so we should too" types think Schwartz got wrong?

      He had not really reached the gateway when he witnessed the man stop and speak to the woman (he crossed the road prior).

      The man did not really assault the woman (he merely pulled her arm).

      The woman did not really scream (that must be the wrong word).

      The man did not really shout 'Lipski' at Pipeman (it was at Schwartz).

      Pipeman did not really run in the direction of Schwartz (Schwartz just imagined it).

      Why does so much of his brief story need to be changed, to make sense of it?
      Andrew's the man, who is not blamed for nothing

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      • Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post

        Paul left the scene with the intention of alerting a policeman. The other obvious difference was that his tracking down was successful. Paul attended the inquest. After adjourning the Stride inquest for many days, we see no sign of Pipeman. Another ghost.
        Even if we discount Paul, that still leaves 6 "ghosts" in the Nichols case.

        PC Thain saw a couple men "down Brady-Street shortly before I was called by Neale.​" Mulshaw was told of the murder by an unknown man. Mrs Lilley heard two people in Bucks Row around 3:30am. An unknown man passed by shortly after the body was found.

        None of them came forward and talked to the police.​
        "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

        "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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        • Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post

          How does that work given that Schwartz said he followed the man down Berner St? Did he leave her and come back? Why would she be conveniently at the gateway when he comes back? If she wanted nothing to do with him, she would get the hell out of the area. You said she was likely not soliciting, so she has no purpose in hanging around.

          I think the whole "woman standing in the gateway" thing is a convenient fiction.
          yes he left her in frustration at some point near the gateway, and returned in anger and killed her. when he was returning is when schwartz saw him.
          "Is all that we see or seem
          but a dream within a dream?"

          -Edgar Allan Poe


          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

          -Frederick G. Abberline

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