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  • Originally posted by spyglass View Post

    But it is possible that he did write messages, but the Police didnt pick up on them.....and so being frustrated with this, he made certain the Goulston Street message was to be found.
    I'd say lot of things are possible, but for me it is where that 'possible' lands on the spectrum of likelihood.

    I'd absolutely concede that this wouldn't be the first person who went against the grain and did something out of the ordinary, but the way I think is that in the absence of evidence the only thing we have is the experience of what serial killers generally do.

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    • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

      well if anyone fancies hutch as suspicious, he did implicate a jew, although not in writing. But im with wulf on this one-the events of the double event clearly point to the ripper writing the GSG.
      I can certainly see both sides of the argument, keeping in mind that correlation does not imply causation. There is a Jewish theme to the double-event, with the first murder happening outside the Jewish Socialists Club, Schwartz / "Lipski", Lawende, the GSG... but were these just incidental to the fact the murders happened in Jewish neighbourhoods?

      It would be unusual for a killer to risk returning to the streets post-facto, carrying incriminating evidence, to scrawl an enigmatic message on the wall. If the policemen were right that the apron wasn't there originally, then he must have ducked in somewhere up to an hour before reappearing. A killer willing to take bold gambles to put his message across but he never bothered to attempt this at Miller's Court?

      However, it was one hell of a coincidence that the apron was found near to the graffito. That cannot be easily ignored.

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      • Originally posted by Harry D View Post

        I can certainly see both sides of the argument, keeping in mind that correlation does not imply causation. There is a Jewish theme to the double-event, with the first murder happening outside the Jewish Socialists Club, Schwartz / "Lipski", Lawende, the GSG... but were these just incidental to the fact the murders happened in Jewish neighbourhoods?

        It would be unusual for a killer to risk returning to the streets post-facto, carrying incriminating evidence, to scrawl an enigmatic message on the wall. If the policemen were right that the apron wasn't there originally, then he must have ducked in somewhere up to an hour before reappearing. A killer willing to take bold gambles to put his message across but he never bothered to attempt this at Miller's Court?

        However, it was one hell of a coincidence that the apron was found near to the graffito. That cannot be easily ignored.
        Hi Harry
        too many "coincidences" for me re the jewish angle to be unrelated.

        And who knows why serial killers will do one thing one time and then not do it again? perhaps he felt he got his point across, and or it was the frustration of being disrupted by jews that night that prompted the GSG. and if hutch was the ripper he blamed jews verbally re Kellys murder rather than in writing. (added that the only direct evidence implicating jews is the GSG and hutch-hint hint.) : )

        I also think theres a better chance than not that dear boss and or saucy jack is authentic so the ripper IMHO was prone to this sort of thing.

        "Is all that we see or seem
        but a dream within a dream?"

        -Edgar Allan Poe


        "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
        quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

        -Frederick G. Abberline

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        • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
          I also think theres a better chance than not that dear boss and or saucy jack is authentic so the ripper IMHO was prone to this sort of thing.
          You're not impressed with the conclusion that it was a sensationalist journo behind them?

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          • Originally posted by Harry D View Post

            You're not impressed with the conclusion that it was a sensationalist journo behind them?
            I dont rule it out, but no not really. dear boss/saucyjack gets three things right. again too many coincidences.
            Im also a tad skeptical of the assurances of some of the top police guys like anderson and MM.

            "Is all that we see or seem
            but a dream within a dream?"

            -Edgar Allan Poe


            "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
            quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

            -Frederick G. Abberline

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            • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

              I dont rule it out, but no not really. dear boss/saucyjack gets three things right. again too many coincidences.
              Im also a tad skeptical of the assurances of some of the top police guys like anderson and MM.
              But I'm sure the journos would've had the inside scope on the details of the murders.
              Also, apparently the GSG author didn't have anything to say about the Jews in his letters

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              • Originally posted by Harry D View Post

                But I'm sure the journos would've had the inside scope on the details of the murders.
                Also, apparently the GSG author didn't have anything to say about the Jews in his letters
                both points well taken
                "Is all that we see or seem
                but a dream within a dream?"

                -Edgar Allan Poe


                "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                -Frederick G. Abberline

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                • it,s amazing what can be read into the writing on the wall, also the apron left in front of it clearly at the same time as the Police record shows !
                  i kept coming up with ideas i had to stop writing them before i start to incorporate dealers and accomplices' .

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