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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

    Do you know if any of her previous homes were also shops?
    Not as far as I’m aware. I don’t think there were any shops in Mary Ann Street for instance.

    Joe F is on the 1889 electoral register at Mary Ann Street, but that would presumably have been compiled towards the end of 1888. Then in Feb, 1889 he’s in the workhouse recorded as destitute, and by December of that year he was suffering from dementia so advanced that it was recorded as a cause of death. Then there’s the anomaly of the two Cable Street shops he’s connected to at the time of his death and the likelihood that that part of Cable Street may have been in a pretty run down state prior to its demolition to make way for the coal depot. A peek at the PO directory for 1889/90 might be revealing.

    I’m not saying this is the case, but on the face of it there could have been plenty of scope for CAL to store/dismember a body within a few hundred yards of Pinchin Street.

    Last edited by MrBarnett; 09-10-2021, 01:10 AM.

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  • Joshua Rogan
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

    Owned by the Railway but leased by Charringtons I would imagine.
    It begs the question; why would a brewery need so much coal? Is that what they made porter from?

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

    Thanks Gary, nice pic.
    Not railway related then.
    Owned by the Railway but leased by Charringtons I would imagine.

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  • Joshua Rogan
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
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    It was a Charringtons coal depot. Above is a photo of it.
    Thanks Gary, nice pic.
    Not railway related then.

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  • Joshua Rogan
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    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

    Indeed she was, Joshua. You’ll notice the premises was a shop.
    Do you know if any of her previous homes were also shops?

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  • MrBarnett
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    For completeness, this is the Goad map showing the coal depot.

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
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    It was a Charringtons coal depot. Above is a photo of it.

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

    Almost....in 1888 the yard was behind 145 Cable Street, which was the George Tavern (hence the name). Coincidentally, I believe Charles Lechmere's mother would be living next door at 147 in 1889. The entire block was I think demolished to make way for a railway coal depot a few years later, and now appears to be trees. Which seems like progress.
    Indeed she was, Joshua. You’ll notice the premises was a shop.

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by etenguy View Post

    Thanks Joshua, one rabbit hole filled quickly.
    Warren ?

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  • DJA
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  • Joshua Rogan
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    Originally posted by Astatine211 View Post
    George Yard Stables was roughly at now 145 Cable Street.
    Almost....in 1888 the yard was behind 145 Cable Street, which was the George Tavern (hence the name). Coincidentally, I believe Charles Lechmere's mother would be living next door at 147 in 1889. The entire block was I think demolished to make way for a railway coal depot a few years later, and now appears to be trees. Which seems like progress.

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  • etenguy
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    Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

    No, this George Yard was in Cable Street.
    Thanks Joshua, one rabbit hole filled quickly.

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  • Astatine211
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    George Yard Stables was roughly at now 145 Cable Street.

    George Yard Buildings was roughly at now 89 Whitechapel High Street.

    About a 20 minute walk from each other.

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  • Joshua Rogan
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    Originally posted by etenguy View Post

    Is this George yard near George yard buildings where Martha Tabram was murdered?
    No, this George Yard was in Cable Street.

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  • etenguy
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    Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post
    East London Observer, Oct 6th, 1888
    "Lewis Dienischitz [Diemschutz], who is the steward of the club, found the body, and this is his version of the discovery: "On Saturday," he says, "I left home about half-past eleven in the morning and returned home exactly at one a.m. Sunday morning. I noticed the time at a tobacco shop in the Commercial-road. I was driving a pony harnessed to a costermonger's barrow. I do not keep the pony in the yard of the club, but in George-yard, Cable-street. I drove the barrow home in order to leave my goods there."
    Is this George yard near George yard buildings where Martha Tabram was murdered?

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