Evidence left behind

[JeffHamm]

hi again Jeff
I think somethings fishy about that red hanky. the way hutch emphasizes it. Tom Wescott had brought this up before and I thought was a very clever catch. If hutch was the killer, then I think he may have lost track of his red Hanky and may have thought he left it in Marys room.and emphasizes it Not only to lead credence to his fake story if they found it, but also to attribute it to the fake suspect Aman (and not himself).

if he wasn't the killer and just an attention seeker, then possibly he used the previous "suspect" sailor mans (seen with eddowes) red hanky to bolster his sighting of seeing the ripper.

would hutch even be able to see what color it was at that distance in poor lighting?

I dnt know, but the red hanky has always not sit well with me. and may be a clue

yes, Hutchinson's descriptions are so detailed they do arouse suspicions. Either he spent so much time re-thinking things he's convinced himself of details that he's filled in, or he's making it up entirely (though it does appear he may have been spotted on his vigil), or he's somehow involved.

I only mentioned the red hanky as an example, and like you, I'm not convinced it even existed. If it did, the above is an interesting line of reasoning and well worth considering. My problem with it actually existing, though, is that red is hard a colour to see at night, but again, that would depend upon the lighting conditions, which of course we don't know. If Hutchinson is to be believed, they were close enough for him to hear the conversation, and he was under a lamp, so it may be that there was enough for him to see the colour.

Of course, a red hanky might be just the thing to wipe bloody hands on and use to wrap bits in, to at least minimize the chance of others to see the stains.

Anyway, Hutchinson's evidence does not inspire great confidence as to its accuracy, but I used it only as an example of the type of thing that might have been a useful clue, rather than intending it to be presented as if it really existed.

- Jeff

[JeffHamm]

Hi Abby Normal,

I see where you're coming from, and will just make a few comments that occur to me,

Hi Jeff
great post. I don't necessarily agree and think he was highly organized but this a very good post I especially like the stuff about clues that could have been left.

However-couple bones of contention lol.

"letting victims choose locations". if he knows those locations are not only safe because his victims are prostitutes and would know where to go to do business in a safe location and by letting them choose would make his victims feel more comfortable going alone with him then I see this as a highly intelligent ruse and very organized tactic.

and besides the classic dis organized killer dosnt necessarily let his victims "choose" a location (nor do they themselves choose the location) but usually attack them where they find them.

I see what you're getting at, though the hallmark of a strongly organized offender is that they seem to try and work out every detail, leaving nothing to chance. So, while I agree that posing as a client (which appears to be a highly probable aspect of JtRs methods), does require him to be able to navigate and pull off that ruse, it also means he's not come up with anything better as a way of luring his victim to a more controlled location. It may be he had no better location, or he may just not have been able to work something out. It seems to me he could have easily spent the time specifically looking for victims who did have rooms to go to, like Mary Kelly did. It is possible he did just that, but there's not enough information to know if he did choose her specifically because she had a room, or if she just happened to have one and he wasn't aware of that prior to their meeting (I have no doubt he would have become of aware of that during their meeting and prior to going to the room though). If McKenzie is a victim of JtR (and most think not of course), then that weighs against the more organized interpretation, but without knowing if indoors was situational or a change in his pattern, it just opens up possibilities rather than answers our question.

From the bulk of it, though, the organizational aspects of apparently having some sort of plan on how to gain an interaction with his victims leans towards organization, but the relative simplicity of it and lack of real control over the situation, points towards more disorganized. So, falling somewhere in between the two extremes (which probably the majority of offenders are; relatively few are the obsessively organized like Dennis Radar, or the highly disorganized like Richard Chase).

one must keep in mind that this is before the automobile. I would imagine if this prostitute killer had been around in the time of a car he would have used one and a lot of these concerns would not apply. modern serial killers use there car not only to stalk there victims, but as mobile bolt hole where they kill there victims in or take there victims to where they were killed.

That's true, of course, but there still were options. If the torso murders, or even some of them, reflect a single killer, there would be someone who does show a much more organized pattern, controlling both the location of where the murders occurred and how to dispose of the evidence. Those murders show a very different level of control than the JtR series in my view.

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all the evidence seems to point to that he knew Mary Kelly-which would indicate pre-selected, pre-planning and stalking.

While I don't dispute that interpretation is not contradicted by what we know, I don't think it is the only interpretation as it is also entirely possible that he only just came across her for the first time and she simply had a room, unlike the other random victims. If his series continued, and they always ended up indoors, then I think we could suggest he's updated his victim selection. If the time between crimes also increased a great amount, that might point towards him taking the time to stalk and locate specific victims. A small increase, however, might just reflect that it takes a bit longer to find a victim as the criterion (have a room, etc) gets more restrictive (meaning, if he's still just randomly picking victims on the night, then it just takes longer to find one with a room, which he could presumably find out during the pre-attack-conversation phase).

I think what you suggest is within the realm of possibilities, but I don't think we have enough to exclude other interpretations at the moment.

IMHO I don't even think he was mixed type. This is a highly efficient, intelligent, planning and organized killer

Again, in my view, that might be possible, but there does seem to be enough disorganization as well to suggest a relaxing of that description. How much it should be relaxed, though, is unclear.

- Jeff

[packers stem]

hi again Jeff
I think somethings fishy about that red hanky. the way hutch emphasizes it. Tom Wescott had brought this up before and I thought was a very clever catch. If hutch was the killer, then I think he may have lost track of his red Hanky and may have thought he left it in Marys room.and emphasizes it Not only to lead credence to his fake story if they found it, but also to attribute it to the fake suspect Aman (and not himself).

if he wasn't the killer and just an attention seeker, then possibly he used the previous "suspect" sailor mans (seen with eddowes) red hanky to bolster his sighting of seeing the ripper.

would hutch even be able to see what color it was at that distance in poor lighting?

I dnt know, but the red hanky has always not sit well with me. and may be a clue

The red neckerchief at that time was strongly linked to Annie Besant ,her followers .
Match girls, Irish home rule etc

Eddowes wore one
Chapman wore one with a red border as did Stride

It was a symbol ,like a badge showing affinity

[Sam Flynn]

Apparently he could distinguish eye lash colour

He noted the eyelashes by staring directly into Astrakhan Man's face as he passed Hutchinson, who says he was standing under a lamp at the time. As Abby asked, would Hutchinson have been able to notice the colour of a handkerchief at a distance and under poor lighting?

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

hi again Jeff
I think somethings fishy about that red hanky. the way hutch emphasizes it. Tom Wescott had brought this up before and I thought was a very clever catch. If hutch was the killer, then I think he may have lost track of his red Hanky and may have thought he left it in Marys room.and emphasizes it Not only to lead credence to his fake story if they found it, but also to attribute it to the fake suspect Aman (and not himself).

if he wasn't the killer and just an attention seeker, then possibly he used the previous "suspect" sailor mans (seen with eddowes) red hanky to bolster his sighting of seeing the ripper.

would hutch even be able to see what color it was at that distance in poor lighting?

I dnt know, but the red hanky has always not sit well with me. and may be a clue

Apparently he could distinguish eye lash colour. A red hanky should have been no problem. Guess it all comes down to the nature of Hutch's statement, why he made it and why it was so detailed.

[Abby Normal]

Hi FrankO,

I think, given the nature of the crimes, it's possible JtR could have dropped something that might have led to his identification. The police were following up such leads as the piece of envelope found with Annie Chapman, the pipe found with Alice Mckenzie, and sifted the fireplace at Kelly's looking for clues that he might have burned. While the envelope turned out to be a red herring (it wasn't from her killer) and the remains of clothes in the fireplace (and clothes in the room) were traced to their owners, the pipe's ownership was never determined as it got broken and apparently lost. That too, of course, might not have led to McKenzie's killer, and she is not one of the C5 (though at the time some of the doctor's thought she might have been a victim of JtR), but it goes to show the police were following up every lead they could. In fact, given they did trace ownership of those items, it also shows they were actually good at tracking down connections.

Had JtR pawned Annie's rings, or dropped something from his pockets during the attack, etc, there's a good chance they could have tracked him down. Apparently he didn't, though. But a personal item, let's say the red handkerchief Hutchinson mentions (if that were real of course), was left it behind then that might have been sufficient. If he had a pawn ticket in his pocket, or some other such thing, and that fell out when he pulled out his knife, that would work. Even if it was just something that could be traced back to a particular pub or shop, or something connected with a particular trade (cobblers wax, butcher's string, medical item, etc).

The fact that nothing was dropped either means he had nothing to drop, was lucky, or was careful to remove such items (i.e. the red hankerchief). The former two would be disorganized (unless he purposefully had nothing with him to prevent accidental clue leaving - that would be highly organized), while the latter would be more organized behaviour.

Murder in the open streets, picking random victims, letting victims choose locations, etc, is generally disorganized behaviour, there's no planning of how to control the environment where the murder takes place and just going with the situation however it unfolds. If Stride is a victim of JtR, and Schwartz's description is correct, it sounds like she was attacked by someone just walking down the street who suddenly assaults her. Given there were two potential witnesses (Schwartz and pipe man), that's not even choosing a "safe" situation, which would be highly spontaneous and disorganized behaviour. JtR seems to have been situation aware enough to flee from Nichol's and Eddowes' crimes as others approached, and to have done so soon enough he wasn't noticed, but whether that's because his attention heightens as a result of the excitement he gets from the attack, or points to Stride being a victim of someone else, or Stride being a victim of JtR and he acted uncharacteristically, or our thoughts that he was actually situation aware at all are incorrect, are all avenues worth exploration.

JtR brought a weapon with hiim, took it away, and apparently left no personal items behind. Those point to organization, fore-planning, and such.

He does not appear to have preplanned where crimes would occur, chose to commit crimes in very risky locations (open streets, backyards of occupied houses, etc), and at all hours (late nights through to dawn), suggesting he's roaming the streets at all hours looking for victims (rather than having a victim pre-selected, stalked, and so could control the when and where of the events). These tend to be considered disorganized behaviors.

So, JtR would probably be considered a mix, with some aspects of him being organized, but other aspects being disorganized. He "plans to kill", but doesn't "plan the kill", so to speak.

- Jeff

hi again Jeff
I think somethings fishy about that red hanky. the way hutch emphasizes it. Tom Wescott had brought this up before and I thought was a very clever catch. If hutch was the killer, then I think he may have lost track of his red Hanky and may have thought he left it in Marys room.and emphasizes it Not only to lead credence to his fake story if they found it, but also to attribute it to the fake suspect Aman (and not himself).

if he wasn't the killer and just an attention seeker, then possibly he used the previous "suspect" sailor mans (seen with eddowes) red hanky to bolster his sighting of seeing the ripper.

would hutch even be able to see what color it was at that distance in poor lighting?

I dnt know, but the red hanky has always not sit well with me. and may be a clue

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby,

OK, then let me tell you why I think, based on what we know, we can say the Ripper was organized to some extent, but certainly not well organized like, for instance, Patrick Kearney, Joseph D’Angelo or even Ted Bundy.

We don’t have any evidence that the Ripper planned his murders in any way, but I do think that he went out on the nights he killed with murder on his mind and that one of his organized traits was to kill during the nightly hours of lull. Other organized traits that can be ascribed to the Ripper is that he worked quickly & silently and, very likely, in such a way that he didn’t get much blood on him. Furthermore, he was able to not give himself away until it was too late for his victims and he paid enough attention to his surroundings whilst working on his victims that he got away in time. The fact that he brought a knife with him, to me, doesn’t necessarily point to organizedness as he may well have carried the knife with him on a daily basis.

hi frankO
oh I think he was as at least as organized as those killers(please see my previous post to Jeff)but I agree with most of your post and you have good points.

re the knife. yes he may have carried the knife with him all the time, but we don't know that for sure and I think that he probably didn't. first, it must have been kind of a big sharp knife(cumbersome?) so not sure he would always have it on him. The timing of the killings(weekends/holidays) tend to indicate he was in regular employ of some type, so don't think he would bringing a rather large with him to work everyday. and secondly the pattern/history of these crimes leads me to the belief that he had usually probably always carried a smaller knife, like a clasp knife with him-the attacks on millwood and tabram used with this smaller knife until he realized it wouldn't do the trick and switched to a bigger knife on nights he was "hunting". just my two cents.

[FrankO]

I think, given the nature of the crimes, it's possible JtR could have dropped something that might have led to his identification. The police were following up such leads as the piece of envelope found with Annie Chapman, the pipe found with Alice Mckenzie, and sifted the fireplace at Kelly's looking for clues that he might have burned. While the envelope turned out to be a red herring (it wasn't from her killer) and the remains of clothes in the fireplace (and clothes in the room) were traced to their owners, the pipe's ownership was never determined as it got broken and apparently lost. That too, of course, might not have led to McKenzie's killer, and she is not one of the C5 (though at the time some of the doctor's thought she might have been a victim of JtR), but it goes to show the police were following up every lead they could. In fact, given they did trace ownership of those items, it also shows they were actually good at tracking down connections.

Had JtR pawned Annie's rings, or dropped something from his pockets during the attack, etc, there's a good chance they could have tracked him down. Apparently he didn't, though. But a personal item, let's say the red handkerchief Hutchinson mentions (if that were real of course), was left it behind then that might have been sufficient. If he had a pawn ticket in his pocket, or some other such thing, and that fell out when he pulled out his knife, that would work. Even if it was just something that could be traced back to a particular pub or shop, or something connected with a particular trade (cobblers wax, butcher's string, medical item, etc).

You make a fair point here, Jeff. Perhaps I should have written that, whatever clue he left, it would not prove he did the deed and would not directly or necessarily lead to his arrest.

So, JtR would probably be considered a mix, with some aspects of him being organized, but other aspects being disorganized. He "plans to kill", but doesn't "plan the kill", so to speak.

I totally agree, Jeff, as with the rest of your post (the part that I didn't quote). Well said!

All the best,
Frank

[Abby Normal]

Hi FrankO,

I think, given the nature of the crimes, it's possible JtR could have dropped something that might have led to his identification. The police were following up such leads as the piece of envelope found with Annie Chapman, the pipe found with Alice Mckenzie, and sifted the fireplace at Kelly's looking for clues that he might have burned. While the envelope turned out to be a red herring (it wasn't from her killer) and the remains of clothes in the fireplace (and clothes in the room) were traced to their owners, the pipe's ownership was never determined as it got broken and apparently lost. That too, of course, might not have led to McKenzie's killer, and she is not one of the C5 (though at the time some of the doctor's thought she might have been a victim of JtR), but it goes to show the police were following up every lead they could. In fact, given they did trace ownership of those items, it also shows they were actually good at tracking down connections.

Had JtR pawned Annie's rings, or dropped something from his pockets during the attack, etc, there's a good chance they could have tracked him down. Apparently he didn't, though. But a personal item, let's say the red handkerchief Hutchinson mentions (if that were real of course), was left it behind then that might have been sufficient. If he had a pawn ticket in his pocket, or some other such thing, and that fell out when he pulled out his knife, that would work. Even if it was just something that could be traced back to a particular pub or shop, or something connected with a particular trade (cobblers wax, butcher's string, medical item, etc).

The fact that nothing was dropped either means he had nothing to drop, was lucky, or was careful to remove such items (i.e. the red hankerchief). The former two would be disorganized (unless he purposefully had nothing with him to prevent accidental clue leaving - that would be highly organized), while the latter would be more organized behaviour.

Murder in the open streets, picking random victims, letting victims choose locations, etc, is generally disorganized behaviour, there's no planning of how to control the environment where the murder takes place and just going with the situation however it unfolds. If Stride is a victim of JtR, and Schwartz's description is correct, it sounds like she was attacked by someone just walking down the street who suddenly assaults her. Given there were two potential witnesses (Schwartz and pipe man), that's not even choosing a "safe" situation, which would be highly spontaneous and disorganized behaviour. JtR seems to have been situation aware enough to flee from Nichol's and Eddowes' crimes as others approached, and to have done so soon enough he wasn't noticed, but whether that's because his attention heightens as a result of the excitement he gets from the attack, or points to Stride being a victim of someone else, or Stride being a victim of JtR and he acted uncharacteristically, or our thoughts that he was actually situation aware at all are incorrect, are all avenues worth exploration.

JtR brought a weapon with hiim, took it away, and apparently left no personal items behind. Those point to organization, fore-planning, and such.

He does not appear to have preplanned where crimes would occur, chose to commit crimes in very risky locations (open streets, backyards of occupied houses, etc), and at all hours (late nights through to dawn), suggesting he's roaming the streets at all hours looking for victims (rather than having a victim pre-selected, stalked, and so could control the when and where of the events). These tend to be considered disorganized behaviors.

So, JtR would probably be considered a mix, with some aspects of him being organized, but other aspects being disorganized. He "plans to kill", but doesn't "plan the kill", so to speak.

- Jeff

Hi Jeff
great post. I don't necessarily agree and think he was highly organized but this a very good post I especially like the stuff about clues that could have been left.

However-couple bones of contention lol.

"letting victims choose locations". if he knows those locations are not only safe because his victims are prostitutes and would know where to go to do business in a safe location and by letting them choose would make his victims feel more comfortable going alone with him then I see this as a highly intelligent ruse and very organized tactic.

and besides the classic dis organized killer dosnt necessarily let his victims "choose" a location (nor do they themselves choose the location) but usually attack them where they find them.

He does not appear to have preplanned where crimes would occur, chose to commit crimes in very risky locations (open streets, backyards of occupied houses, etc), and at all hours (late nights through to dawn), suggesting he's roaming the streets at all hours looking for victims

one must keep in mind that this is before the automobile. I would imagine if this prostitute killer had been around in the time of a car he would have used one and a lot of these concerns would not apply. modern serial killers use there car not only to stalk there victims, but as mobile bolt hole where they kill there victims in or take there victims to where they were killed.

(rather than having a victim pre-selected, stalked, and so could control the when and where of the events)

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all the evidence seems to point to that he knew Mary Kelly-which would indicate pre-selected, pre-planning and stalking.

IMHO I don't even think he was mixed type. This is a highly efficient, intelligent, planning and organized killer

[FrankO]

I respectfully disagree. the ripper was nothing if not well organized. He planned on the nights he was to go out hunting (having to bring his items-knife, something to carry his trophys in, perhaps a rag to wipe his hands), rused his victims to get them where he wanted them, perceptive enough to always get away in time undetected and the only clue he ever left behind was intentional (the GSG). Also, Probably wrote letters taunting what he did and was going to do (dear boss, from hell-either one). and besides no un organized killer could have pulled off what happened the night of the double event.

IMHO everything points to he was a well organized, intelligent killer.

Hi Abby,

OK, then let me tell you why I think, based on what we know, we can say the Ripper was organized to some extent, but certainly not well organized like, for instance, Patrick Kearney, Joseph D’Angelo or even Ted Bundy.

We don’t have any evidence that the Ripper planned his murders in any way, but I do think that he went out on the nights he killed with murder on his mind and that one of his organized traits was to kill during the nightly hours of lull. Other organized traits that can be ascribed to the Ripper is that he worked quickly & silently and, very likely, in such a way that he didn’t get much blood on him. Furthermore, he was able to not give himself away until it was too late for his victims and he paid enough attention to his surroundings whilst working on his victims that he got away in time. The fact that he brought a knife with him, to me, doesn’t necessarily point to organizedness as he may well have carried the knife with him on a daily basis.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Well said Jeff.

[JeffHamm]

Apart from leaving behind a photograph of him mutilating one of his victims, I don’t think there would have been anything that could have lead the police to the Ripper’s arrest. As long as he didn’t want to be found out and acted accordingly in the way that he did, only catching him in the act or fleeing the scene would get him hung and, possibly, but only possibly, an eyewitness.

My view is that he wasn't a well organized killer. One can say that some aspects of his MO was directed at minimizing the risk of being caught, but to call him 'well organized' would be well overrated as far as I'm concerned.

All the best,
Frank

Hi FrankO,

I think, given the nature of the crimes, it's possible JtR could have dropped something that might have led to his identification. The police were following up such leads as the piece of envelope found with Annie Chapman, the pipe found with Alice Mckenzie, and sifted the fireplace at Kelly's looking for clues that he might have burned. While the envelope turned out to be a red herring (it wasn't from her killer) and the remains of clothes in the fireplace (and clothes in the room) were traced to their owners, the pipe's ownership was never determined as it got broken and apparently lost. That too, of course, might not have led to McKenzie's killer, and she is not one of the C5 (though at the time some of the doctor's thought she might have been a victim of JtR), but it goes to show the police were following up every lead they could. In fact, given they did trace ownership of those items, it also shows they were actually good at tracking down connections.

Had JtR pawned Annie's rings, or dropped something from his pockets during the attack, etc, there's a good chance they could have tracked him down. Apparently he didn't, though. But a personal item, let's say the red handkerchief Hutchinson mentions (if that were real of course), was left it behind then that might have been sufficient. If he had a pawn ticket in his pocket, or some other such thing, and that fell out when he pulled out his knife, that would work. Even if it was just something that could be traced back to a particular pub or shop, or something connected with a particular trade (cobblers wax, butcher's string, medical item, etc).

The fact that nothing was dropped either means he had nothing to drop, was lucky, or was careful to remove such items (i.e. the red hankerchief). The former two would be disorganized (unless he purposefully had nothing with him to prevent accidental clue leaving - that would be highly organized), while the latter would be more organized behaviour.

Murder in the open streets, picking random victims, letting victims choose locations, etc, is generally disorganized behaviour, there's no planning of how to control the environment where the murder takes place and just going with the situation however it unfolds. If Stride is a victim of JtR, and Schwartz's description is correct, it sounds like she was attacked by someone just walking down the street who suddenly assaults her. Given there were two potential witnesses (Schwartz and pipe man), that's not even choosing a "safe" situation, which would be highly spontaneous and disorganized behaviour. JtR seems to have been situation aware enough to flee from Nichol's and Eddowes' crimes as others approached, and to have done so soon enough he wasn't noticed, but whether that's because his attention heightens as a result of the excitement he gets from the attack, or points to Stride being a victim of someone else, or Stride being a victim of JtR and he acted uncharacteristically, or our thoughts that he was actually situation aware at all are incorrect, are all avenues worth exploration.

JtR brought a weapon with hiim, took it away, and apparently left no personal items behind. Those point to organization, fore-planning, and such.

He does not appear to have preplanned where crimes would occur, chose to commit crimes in very risky locations (open streets, backyards of occupied houses, etc), and at all hours (late nights through to dawn), suggesting he's roaming the streets at all hours looking for victims (rather than having a victim pre-selected, stalked, and so could control the when and where of the events). These tend to be considered disorganized behaviors.

So, JtR would probably be considered a mix, with some aspects of him being organized, but other aspects being disorganized. He "plans to kill", but doesn't "plan the kill", so to speak.

- Jeff

[Sam Flynn]

On a final note to you. There is more evidence and facts to suggest it was not taken

We don't have the facts, unfortunately, otherwise this would be a done deal. I'm not sure that there's more evidence that the heart was not taken, either.

[Trevor Marriott]

There is no argument as you say. You are ghost hunting again. The heart was missing. You are simply creating a mystery where none exists.

On a final note to you. There is more evidence and facts to suggest it was not taken, than there is to suggest it was, that is a fact and there is nothing mysterious about those facts.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Herlock Sholmes]

Well yet again the same old arguments again re appear with regards to newspaper reports with researchers wanting to accept a report which fits in with their own belief and then we see the opposite. Now where there is a conflict, which ones are right and which ones are wrong, who is right and who is wrong? Have the papers deliberately misled the public?

Clearly if you read and digest the contents of all the reports you will see that in the earlier reports it was suggested that organs were missing. However, these earlier editions were published before the full post mortem was conducted.

The later editions were published after the post mortems, and all the other medical activities as described had been carried out, and these stated that all the body parts were accounted for. Now that to me is continuity and a natural progression with newspaper reporting on this specific topic. Surely if the heart was found to be missing someone connected to the case be it medical or police would have said so at some point and would have been quoted, but we don't see that do we, and we see there are no reports that conclusively state that the heart was missing?

Now the inquest reports you seek to rely on. The wording is not concise.

"Telegraph & Echo
"By design, the medical testimony adduced at the inquest was limited to that which was absolutely required to enable the jury to find respecting the cause of death. We are "enabled" to state, on good authority, that notwithstanding all that has been said to the contrary, a portion of the bodily organs was missing. The police, and with them the divisional surgeon, have arrived at the conclusion that it is in the interest of justice not to disclose the details of the professional inquiry"

The use of the word enabled is the key to understanding this, should it be unable? and is it a badly constructed report ?
If it is correctly worded who was the good authority because we do not have anyone who has come forward and confirmed organs were missing, in fact we have the opposite with the later editions and Insp Reid.

Evening News & St James' Gazette & Star & Times

"SOME PORTIONS OF THE BODY ARE MISSING
The examination of the body by Dr. Phillips, on Saturday, lasted upwards of six and a half hours. Notwithstanding reports to the contrary, it is still confidently asserted that some portions of the body of the deceased woman are missing."

This report is of no value the wording does not confirm the heart was missing

Reid is without doubt the key to all of this, he was there, he was in charge of Whitechapel CID, he was at the crime scene and at the post mortem. Why would he lie ? read the interview he is not mistaken or confused as some suggest 8 years on. He corroborated the newspaper reports, which stated all the organs were accounted for, I have no more valuable time to devote to arguing an issue where there is clearly no argument to be had.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

There is no argument as you say. You are ghost hunting again. The heart was missing. You are simply creating a mystery where none exists.