Is this Dutfield Yard ?

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  • Bridewell
    Commissioner
    • Apr 2011
    • 4038

    #16
    Hi All,

    Interesting photo, wherever it is. It's not Browns Yard is it? (Just thinking of the size of the building to the right of the picture).

    Regards, Bridewell.
    I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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    • CitizenX
      Constable
      • Feb 2008
      • 75

      #17
      I doubt its Browns yard...The railway tracks were directly to the right of Browns yard and then the board school...This buildings too close..and doesn't look like the school.

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      • Bridewell
        Commissioner
        • Apr 2011
        • 4038

        #18
        Originally posted by CitizenX View Post
        I doubt its Browns yard...The railway tracks were directly to the right of Browns yard and then the board school...This buildings too close..and doesn't look like the school.
        Thanks for that. I posted more in hope than expectation.

        Regards, Bridewell.
        I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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        • Stephen Thomas
          Chief Inspector
          • Feb 2008
          • 1728

          #19
          No way Dutfields Yard but a super old photo nonetheless.

          The same only different. Thanks.
          allisvanityandvexationofspirit

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          • Monty
            Commissioner
            • Feb 2008
            • 5413

            #20
            I suspect its an image from the book 'Lost London'.

            Unless someone wishes to verify before, I shall check tomorrow.

            Monty
            Monty

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            Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

            http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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            • Archaic
              Chief Inspector
              • Mar 2009
              • 1903

              #21
              Is It Definitely A Scene from London?

              Hi Gene.

              I'm wondering if you have a particular reason for thinking this photograph depicts a scene in London, rather than in some other city? Did you happen to find the photo in France, or perhaps on the internet?

              I keep asking myself why someone would have taken a photo of such an ordinary, rubbish-strewn yard in the first place.

              The photo appears to be fairly early, judging by its general appearance and the faded-out ghostly upper rooftops that didn't photograph clearly.

              By the way, Gene, welcome to Casebook!

              Best regards,
              Archaic

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              • Stephen Thomas
                Chief Inspector
                • Feb 2008
                • 1728

                #22
                Originally posted by Monty View Post
                I suspect its an image from the book 'Lost London'.

                Unless someone wishes to verify before, I shall check tomorrow.
                Hi Monty

                No, it's not from the astonishingly wonderful 'Lost London' book.
                allisvanityandvexationofspirit

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                • Monty
                  Commissioner
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 5413

                  #23
                  I will take your word for it Stephen, thank you.

                  Wherever it is, it is most certainly not Dutfields Yard.

                  Could be one of many yards.

                  Monty
                  Monty

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                  Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

                  http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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                  • mariab
                    Superintendent
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 2977

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Archaic View Post
                    Hi Gene.
                    I'm wondering if you have a particular reason for thinking this photograph depicts a scene in London, rather than in some other city? Did you happen to find the photo in France, or perhaps on the internet?
                    Definitely not French. Typical London design, esp. the wall on the right. Looks like one of those ubiquitous East London yellow brick walls.

                    Could someone (John Bennett, Wick, Monty) clarify where the sketch of Berner Street attached on post #12 is from?
                    Best regards,
                    Maria

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                    • Beowulf
                      Sergeant
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 537

                      #25
                      Originally posted by mariab View Post
                      Definitely not French. Typical London design, esp. the wall on the right. Looks like one of those ubiquitous East London yellow brick walls.

                      Could someone (John Bennett, Wick, Monty) clarify where the sketch of Berner Street attached on post #12 is from?
                      "Dutfield's Yard as depicted in Famous Crimes, Past and Present, Harold Furniss 1903" http://wiki.casebook.org/index.php/Dutfield's_Yard

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                      • mariab
                        Superintendent
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 2977

                        #26
                        Thank you so much, Beowulf. Should have been checking the developing casebook wiki more often!
                        Best regards,
                        Maria

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                        • Monty
                          Commissioner
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 5413

                          #27
                          Pictorial News 6 October 88.

                          Monty
                          Monty

                          https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...t/evilgrin.gif

                          Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

                          http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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                          • Gene Lewis
                            Detective
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 176

                            #28
                            Hello all !
                            I have the answer to my own question, just browsing the book i mentioned, and yes, it's out of "Lost London", and it is NOT Dutfield's Yard... I should have begin by verifying by myself : it's a (cropped) scan of a place called "Chapel Yard" - St Giles in the Fields, page 136, LL.
                            Apologize, i thought i'd find a new canonical stuff... Not so easy...
                            regards
                            GL
                            His man Bowyer
                            (Forgive my accent, I've been to France for a while…)

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                            • Gene Lewis
                              Detective
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 176

                              #29
                              To Archaic: I had no particular reason thinking it was a London scene:I was only (almost) SURE it was Dutfield's Yard, for it was so close from the well-known sketches of the place !!!
                              His man Bowyer
                              (Forgive my accent, I've been to France for a while…)

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                              • Gene Lewis
                                Detective
                                • Jun 2012
                                • 176

                                #30
                                Conclusion : when you want to believe, similarities are stronger than differences... Findings old traces is a long way, I guess.
                                (I'll remember I'm only a cadet…

                                But what! The zigzag rooftops, the pointed roof and the carriage in the foreground: just Mr Diemschutz missing !
                                His man Bowyer
                                (Forgive my accent, I've been to France for a while…)

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