George Yard stables and other stables in Whitechapel area

[jerryd]

No - it's currently nothing more than a flight of fantasy on my part, but that's how these things begin, isn't it?
There isn't currently a jot of evidence that Bury was ever there, but the notion that he might have been there gives me the impetus to go deeper into the hole. If only I could get some more documentation about that yard on the East side of Georges Yard.
I know there was an Ale Storage facility there - Bury would have liked that!

Hi Chubbs


The east side was owned by the Board of Works. They had an incinerator there.

[chubbs]

Hi Chubbs


The east side was owned by the Board of Works. They had an incinerator there.

Yes mate. That's what the plan in the post immediately before yours shows ('F' in the plan - 'G' & 'H' were also a chimney and 'clinker crusher). I reckon you can see a round chimney behind George Yard Buildings in the photo discovered by I1ariusz - ('G' in the plan?) - I read that they constructed it in 1885, I think? There's also a rectangular chimney at the end of the Furnace Building, fronting onto the carriageway, in this slightly older photo...

https://www.surveyoflondon.org/map/feature/393/detail/

Actually, I may have to cross the road and extend my search for stables to the West side of George Yard, because there had been some there too - either side of the Black Horse Inn. (see John Rocque's map of London, 1746)...



The Black Horse Inn itself was converted in 1875 (the newer building on that spot has 1886 inscribed at the top), to become the 'home for houseless (or Respectable) girls', part of the George Yard Mission and Ragged School, which fronted onto Whitechapel Road, but the yards and stables may well have still been functioning, just north of the building, on the way to George Yard Buildings?

Yes, I'm rambling again - but I prefer to think of it as 'having a look around the rabbit hole'.

[chubbs]

I haven't been down that rabbithole. Has it been proven that Bury had access to that stable and could stay there overnight when he wanted to? If so, I think it's a very significant point.

My 'Saw Mill Theory' has proved to be wrong. It snaked along the west side of Angel Alley, so it was in the right place, but...

"John Kelland's City Saw Mills, first established on Wenlock Basin, City Road, in the 1820s, and on Wentworth Street by 1834, expanded to take over a long narrow site that snaked down the west side of Angel Alley, previously that of the Gandons cooperage. By 1843 Kelland had premises that consisted of buildings several storeys high including mills, machinery rooms, stables and an engine house at the south-west corner, the source of a devastating fire that year. The site was cleared in 1882."

So, the saw mill seems to have gone 6 years before the murders. But there may still have been stables there?

[New Waterloo]

I am really rubbish at pasting pictures. This has been provided by others regarding the theft of a cart some months after the Stride murder but seems to involve our witness Spooner. Could anybody help with the image please. It was posted I believe by RJPalmer in Spooner revisited with some lamb on the side.

Anybody help please with image makes an interesting read

NW

[chubbs]

Well, I've got my answer to the 'Stables in George Yard' question. Proof that there were definitely several of them on the West side in 1876, in Black Horse Yard, just South of what would become George Yard Buildings. No reason to think they weren't there in 1888. Does anyone know how I can get to see an expanded version of this portion of the map? I'd like to know if there were even more stables a bit further down...



Anyway - in my fantasy, after William Bury has murdered Martha Tabram while she was having one of her post-inebriation epileptic fits (the trigger for his stabbing spree), he runs a few yards down the road & hides in the straw in one of these stables, with his horse & cart. Lying there, he dreams about killing again...

[John Wheat]

Well, I've got my answer to the 'Stables in George Yard' question. Proof that there were definitely several of them on the West side in 1876, in Black Horse Yard, just South of what would become George Yard Buildings. No reason to think they weren't there in 1888. Does anyone know how I can get to see an expanded version of this portion of the map? I'd like to know if there were even more stables a bit further down...



Anyway - in my fantasy, after William Bury has murdered Martha Tabram while she was having one of her post-inebriation epileptic fits (the trigger for his stabbing spree), he runs a few yards down the road & hides in the straw in one of these stables, with his horse & cart. Lying there, he dreams about killing again...

I'm not sure it's that much of a fantasy Chubbs. I think it likely Bury killed Tabram.

[chubbs]

I'm not sure it's that much of a fantasy Chubbs. I think it likely Bury killed Tabram.

Wouldn't it be good to find a clue that connects him?

[New Waterloo]

Diemschutz clearly says at Strides inquest that he stabled his pony at George Yard, Cable Street. Seems definite to me. South of Berner Street area.
NW

[chubbs]

Diemschutz clearly says at Strides inquest that he stabled his pony at George Yard, Cable Street. Seems definite to me. South of Berner Street area.
NW

You're absolutely right.

The 'George Yard Stables' rabbit-hole has split into two different tunnels. The first one, as you rightly say, refers to the stables off Cable Street where Diemschutz stabled his horse - and the second tunnel, which was introduced on page 1 and developed more recently by me, refers to the stables in a different George Yard (the George Yard where Martha Tabram was stabbed to death).

I think the Cable Street George Yard is a dead end - Diemschutz stabled his pony there and that's it. End of tunnel.

The stables in the other George Yard (near to Tabram's murder site) are just part of my musings over William Bury. Maybe it's a dead end, maybe it isn't.