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  • WARSPITE
    Detective
    • Apr 2008
    • 117

    #406
    Whitby?

    Hi Im new to the website. Im wondering if anyone can tell me more about the Whitby Collection. Im intrigued as my surname is Whitby.
    Can anyone enlighten me please.
    Many thanks

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    • WARSPITE
      Detective
      • Apr 2008
      • 117

      #407
      Thanks for all the photos everyone.
      Im new to the website, and have always wanted to be transported back to Spitalfields in 88, particularly the evil quartermile. Well youve all provided the next best thing, and Im really grateful for sharing them all.
      Is anyone up for walking round one day or night to show me the sites? I want to know more than they show on the walks.
      Pete

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      • George Hutchinson
        Inspector
        • Feb 2008
        • 1089

        #408
        Pete - I'm the owner and discoverer, if you like, of The Whitby Collection.

        I acquired them from my friend, Margaret Whitby-Green, about a year ago. She knew she had them but had no idea of their historical value. They were taken by her uncle, John Gordon Whitby, in 1961. Whitby was simply an amateur criminologist who - unlike many here except Stewart Evans - actually took a camera with him when he did his Ripper site visits at a time when JTR was not as de rigeur as he is today.

        John died some years ago but the family is from the North Midlands (Lincolnshire to be exact). Margaret inherited his photographs and the series of shots, including the interior and back of 29 Hanbury Street (taken on more than one occasion), had been languishing in a kitchen drawer for years. Margaret just casually mentioned it to me when we met up in London in the spring of 2007.

        PHILIP
        Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd.

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        • Scott Nelson
          Superintendent
          • Feb 2008
          • 2402

          #409
          So who served better coffee, Sam or Howard? This is really critical to the whole Mitre Square play.

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          • Rob Clack
            Inactive
            • Feb 2008
            • 1708

            #410
            A few pages back John posted some screen caps from a 'Spitalfields Trust' DVD. I managed to get hold of a copy and here are some other screencaps.

            Norton Folgate looking towards Spital Square.
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            Fournier Street
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            I believe this is Steward Street looking towards Fort Street. On the right are 'Wingate & Johnston, Export Packers' at number 19.
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            No idea where this one is.
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            Nor this, but could the tent in the road be similar to what Patrick Mulshaw was watching over in Winthrop Street?
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            Rob

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            • Sam Flynn
              Casebook Supporter
              • Feb 2008
              • 13322

              #411
              Originally posted by Rob Clack View Post
              could the tent in the road be similar to what Patrick Mulshaw was watching over in Winthrop Street?
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              I reckon so, Rob - nice find.
              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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              • Suzi
                Superintendent
                • Feb 2008
                • 2167

                #412
                Great pics Rob!! What does it say on that sign in the 'tent' pic???

                Suz x
                'Would you like to see my African curiosities?'

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                • Sam Flynn
                  Casebook Supporter
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 13322

                  #413
                  Originally posted by Suzi View Post
                  Great pics Rob!! What does it say on that sign in the 'tent' pic???
                  The last word is "Clothier", but I can't make out the rest, Suzi. Perhaps Rob's (unscanned) version will be clearer.
                  Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                  "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                  • Rob Clack
                    Inactive
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 1708

                    #414
                    Hi Gareth, Suzi

                    The best I can make out the top line is A or H ......weld

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                    • Sam Flynn
                      Casebook Supporter
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 13322

                      #415
                      Originally posted by Rob Clack View Post
                      Hi Gareth, Suzi

                      The best I can make out the top line is A or H ......weld

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                      Thanks, Rob. I now see it as:

                      H & (something) ....feld
                      (indecipherable)
                      Bespoke
                      Clothier
                      Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                      "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                      • Rob Clack
                        Inactive
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 1708

                        #416
                        Hi Gareth,

                        It might be R(aphael) Sonenfield, 26 White Lion Street. I'm not 100% because on the maps I've looked at it should be a bit more to the left. If I'm right the photo was taken from Elder Street.

                        This is the Goads map from 1944, when the street was (as it is now) Folgate Street. As you can see it is a bit tight.

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                        • bolo
                          Detective
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 452

                          #417
                          I have sharpened the image using Gimp and this is what I can make out:

                          R & O (?) ....eld

                          whole sale
                          Bespoke (?)

                          Clothier
                          ~ All perils, specially malignant, are recurrent - Thomas De Quincey ~

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                          • Sam Flynn
                            Casebook Supporter
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 13322

                            #418
                            Originally posted by Rob Clack View Post
                            It might be R(aphael) Sonenfield, 26 White Lion Street. I'm not 100% because on the maps I've looked at it should be a bit more to the left. If I'm right the photo was taken from Elder Street. This is the Goads map from 1944, when the street was (as it is now) Folgate Street. As you can see it is a bit tight.

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                            Indeed it is, but I think you're correct, Rob - although the pixellation is bad at high magnification, what I see is certainly congruent with "R Sonenfield". Tight corners aside, that may well be White Lion from Folgate Street, at least to my eyes.
                            Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                            "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                            • Rob Clack
                              Inactive
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 1708

                              #419
                              Cheers Gareth, I'll have a look before the next Whitechapel meeting as there is a good possibility that the buildings might still be there.

                              Rob

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                              • Ade
                                Cadet
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 10

                                #420
                                Elder Street

                                Post 360 has a photo of the building at the North corner of Elder Street and Folgate Street. It looks very similar to the building in the 'R Sonenfield' photo.

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