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  • Robert
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    Thanks Moonbegger!

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  • moonbegger
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    Here is also a short video of the original stairwell ( apart from carpet and plaster )

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  • moonbegger
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    The narrow stairwell itself , that PC Long searched on the night of the double event ..
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  • moonbegger
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    the entrance to the stairwell ..
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  • moonbegger
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    some pictures from Goulston street .. the passage that now leads to the original stairwell above the site of the GSG and the bloody apron .
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  • Hutch Orris
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    Thanks Observer. That is a possibility.

    I concur with you Debra. Here is a photo with the letters I can make out darkened to show up better.


    So something or other Lane, Bridgeton looks favourite. Yet the signature doesn't look like the signature of the Glasgow artist who has a strong right slant to his. On the other hand it's unusual that both are signed in capitals.

    I will have to contact someone with a knowledge of Glasgow's art history. The painting itself remains a decorative curio in any case.

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  • Debra A
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    This is where I hought Whitechapel was written over something else-perhaps 'Bridgeton' [an area of Glasgow's East End]




    This is the museum watercolour by W M Lockhart showing similar techniques, colour, composition and style http://parkheadhistory.com/?page_id=880

    This was posted by Chris George-
    Post-Office Annual Glasgow Directory, p. 354: Lockhart, Wm., furniture and picture restorer, 151 Sword Street.

    1903 Slater's Royal National Commercial Directory of Scotland, p. 1383: Lockhart, William M., picture frame maker, 151 Sword street.

    And this confirmed that the directory Lockhart was also an artist

    1901 Scotland census
    William Lockhart
    Age: 43
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
    Relationship: Head
    Spouse's name : Marion Lockhart
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Perth, Perthshire
    Registration number: 644/3
    Registration District: Dennistoun
    Civil Parish: Glasgow St John
    County: Lanarkshire
    Address: 151 Sword St
    Occupation: Artist: Preture(sic) Framer & Apprentice

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  • Debra A
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    Originally posted by Hutch Orris View Post
    Thanks for your replies. I thought that too Ginger. In real life though it looks as if it's just the way he's written the M. He was obviously using watercolour with a larger brush which made it less fine than the smaller brush he used on the front and when he wrote some of the location names like Dutfield's yard.

    Of course it's possible I'm wrong and a relative has added the back bit later. See further down.

    Hi Robert. Unfortunately JTR forums wanted me to sign in to see the link and I'm not a member. I searched their boards for Lockhart in threads and posts but drew a blank.

    Thanks for your efforts Jason. The link didn't work for me and Googling just gave me endless American genealogy links.

    It's only idle interest on my part. It's nothing to do with the case and it's not a relation. I thought it might have been nice if I could locate the precise location of the painting to see if the buildings are still there.

    It is a strange study in that the buildings are shown in part on either side of the road. That would lend weight to the idea that the painting was done by W M and the back was added, perhaps by a blood thirsty son! at a later date.

    I Googled "Mazzawa" which appears above the door on the right and that seems to be a surname of Italian origin.

    Hi Hutch
    On the JTR forums discussions I mentioned the fact hat it appears that the word 'Whitechapel'in he bottom right hand corner was written over an originally different word.
    On finding some museum paintings of W M Lockhart depicting Glalsgow's East End area, I suggested the painting may have originally been of 'Bridgeton' , which can be made out if you look closely.

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  • Observer
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    Hi Hutch

    The sign above the door could be Mazawattee Tea

    Observer

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  • Hutch Orris
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    Thanks for your replies. I thought that too Ginger. In real life though it looks as if it's just the way he's written the M. He was obviously using watercolour with a larger brush which made it less fine than the smaller brush he used on the front and when he wrote some of the location names like Dutfield's yard.

    Of course it's possible I'm wrong and a relative has added the back bit later. See further down.

    Hi Robert. Unfortunately JTR forums wanted me to sign in to see the link and I'm not a member. I searched their boards for Lockhart in threads and posts but drew a blank.

    Thanks for your efforts Jason. The link didn't work for me and Googling just gave me endless American genealogy links.

    It's only idle interest on my part. It's nothing to do with the case and it's not a relation. I thought it might have been nice if I could locate the precise location of the painting to see if the buildings are still there.

    It is a strange study in that the buildings are shown in part on either side of the road. That would lend weight to the idea that the painting was done by W M and the back was added, perhaps by a blood thirsty son! at a later date.

    I Googled "Mazzawa" which appears above the door on the right and that seems to be a surname of Italian origin.

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  • Jason
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    Same guy perhaps ? Looks pretty happy

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  • Jason
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    [url]www.digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/15330coll22/id/15323

    If this don't work , google his name as w h and check out the photo
    Last edited by Jason; 09-24-2013, 04:39 AM. Reason: K

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  • Robert
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    Hi Hutch

    I thought this looked familiar! You can see some discussion of it on page 6 et seq :

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  • Ginger
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    I know there was a popular chain of "Lockhart's Coffee Rooms" at that time that catered to a working-class clientele. The police constable who found Thos. Sadler after he was mugged walked him to a Lockhart's near the Minories to examine his injuries, IIRC. Whether this has anything to do with those, I haven't a clue.

    I note that the front of the painting is signed W.M. Lockhart, but the back says W.H. Lockhart.

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  • Hutch Orris
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    Apologies if this is in the wrong place but it is an original watercolour of the East End from 1902.

    I bought this watercolour some time ago and have since framed and mounted it. It is on paper which has been stuck to a board backing.





    The map is on this board backing. I think it's interesting the artist seems proud his shop is in the "Ripper area". He's perhaps not lived long in the area as his map seems muddled.

    He's clearly got Dutfield's Yard on the wrong side of the road and Charlotte and Oxford streets ran west to east off New Road, not where they're located on the map the artist has painted.

    Charlotte Street ran west off New Road before changing in to Fieldgate Street at the Plumbers Row end. Today the entire length of the street is named Fieldgate Street.

    Adjacent to Charlotte Street on the east side of New Road was Oxford Street which ran behind the London Hospital. Today it's called Stepney Way.

    I was hoping someone who has a grasp of genealogy and the necessary resources may be able to tell me who W. M. Lockhart was and where the location of their shop was.

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