East End Photographs and Drawings

[MrBarnett]

Hi S.Brett,

Many thanks, you're a gent.

I should have read the first OB example a little more carefully. It's pretty clear from that that we are talking about Wentworth Street. I did suspect Wentworth Street, but couldn't find it being called Winfield on any map.

FYI, the question arises from an address given in Christ Church Spitalfields birth register. I suspect the people involved to have been living in Angel Alley at the time. Perhaps too grotty and sordid to admit to, so they chose the nearest half-decent street. Or just like the example of the violin man above, they considered their address to be Angel Alley, Winfield Street ( i.e. the northern end ).

Thanks again.

MrB

[S.Brett]

Hi MrBarnett,

Maybe it was the Wentworth Street or at least a part of it, and on the corner (Old) Castle Street / Wentworth Street, not far from George Street and George Yard. Part of Wentworth Street between Commercial Street and Brick Lane?

Have a look here:

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/print.jsp?div=18130217

“he stooped and wrapped something up, and after he had wrapped it up, he ran into Whitechapel, into Castle-alley. When he got up Castle-alley, he ran until he got into Castle-street. He ran to the top of Castle-street, and got into some house in Castle-street, on the right hand side; then when I came up to the house it was Mr. John Price 's, the pawnbroker. I turned round on my left hand into Winfield-street;”

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17610401-33&div=t17610401-33&terms=Winfield|Street#highlight

“At one Ellis's, in Winfield-street, near George-yard”

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17911026-16&div=t17911026-16&terms=Winfield|Street|George|Street#highlight

“Coming down Winfield-street , the 25th of this month, about twelve on Saturday night, this girl took my hat off, and put it on her head; I asked her for it, she run away, she run into her lodgings in George-street, Spitalfields;”

http://wiki.casebook.org/index.php/Wentworth_Street

The street was so named after Thomas Wentworth, Earl of Cleveland who owned much land in the area in the 1630s and 1640s, although early maps call it 'Wentford Street'[2] and 'Winford Street'[3], probably both unintentional errors.

http://www.amati.com/maker/information-on-dorant-william-violin-maker-in-spitalfields-england.html

“DORANT, William Worked circa. 1800-1826 Spitalfields, London UK. Established at 63 Winfield Street, Brick Lane. Undistinguished work. [Meredith-Morris]”

Best regards.

[MrBarnett]

Winfield Street

Hi there,

I am trying to find Winfield Street, Spitalfields. I have seen a couple of references to it on the Old Bailey Online website, but can't seem to place it on any modern or Victorian map. Can anyone help?

Regards,

MrB

[moonbegger]

Certainly looks old enough

Hello Warspite , Yes I have arrived at the same conclusion , the wall runs along the same footprint as the old workhouse site maps , with a couple of more recent brick ups scattered here and there .. I'm guessing rear entrance fill in . The photo is taken from what would have been an inside the workhouse grounds perspective .

cheers

moonbegger

[WARSPITE]

Can anyone tell me if this old wall that sits behind the old Whitechapel workhouse infirmary site to the east of Valence rd ( Bakers row ) , is the same one that was part of the original structure in 1888 ??? cheers .

Certainly looks old enough

[Observer]

Hers a photo I took recently. it shows the former Horse And Groom, 21 Whitchurch Lane, a very short walk from Liz Stride murder site. In 1888 on the night of her murder it's very possible that the licensee was Otto Busch. Otto Busch was a native of Hanover in Germany.



Observer

[Hutch Orris]

Is the photo below of Bishopsgate Police Station? I've never seen a photo from the period before so I was surprised to see it.



It's from "Living London" edited by George R. Sims so circa 1901. Sadly the photo is cropped for the page but the façade is quite distinctive and the lane between the buildings is where Rose Alley would have been, Victoria Avenue today.

For comparison here's an etching from 1866 of Bishopsgate Police Station and just for jollys a quick Photoshop job of how it would have fitted in the modern street below.

[Robert]

But I did solve two thirds of it.

[Fisherman]

Robert:

I am one of the few who never managed to solved Rubik's cube

I KNEW it!!!

The best,
Fisherman

[moonbegger]

Can anyone tell me if this old wall that sits behind the old Whitechapel workhouse infirmary site to the east of Valence rd ( Bakers row ) , is the same one that was part of the original structure in 1888 ??? cheers .

[WARSPITE]

Lovely photos of the Essex; twisted my ankle in there once trying to sramble upstairs.

[Robert]

Hi Countess

Nothing wrong with your writing - it's just that I have difficulty visualising spaces (I am one of the few who never managed to solved Rubik's cube).

[Countess Mitzi]

Thank you for your kind welcome!

Dear Robert and Moonbegger,

Thank you so much for your welcome! I apologize if my writing was a little obtuse - I was nervous about my first post and anxious about uploading things. . .

I beg to assure you, that although I'm a newbie to Casebook, I'm not a newbie to the case. The minutes of my life in the past two years, stood in front of 'Happy Days - Takeaway' (usually across the street from it) explaining the significance of the site, must now must amount to weeks, if not months!

I had some more shots of the area where the light wells were, but have either misplaced, lost or deleted them, annoyingly. When I see Raj again, I'll take some more.

I seem to remember that, either earlier in this thread, or in another (I've been quite a devoted lurker for quite some time!) members were curious about what the Goulston St building was like inside and if anyone has more information about the layout of its original state, I'd be very interested to hear.

I'm fascinated by the architectural history of it - for instance - the blocked up rusty door in my photo would have been at the end of the passage leading from 'our' Happy Days doorway, therefore possibly the exit Saucy Jacky may have used if he were escaping towards Flower and Dean St.

Raj tells me that all the passages were originally open, like those of the George Yard Buildings.

Once, when I was downstairs, Raj accidentally turned out the lights. Thank goodness I was wearing tight pants! In the dark, the place scared the bejesus out of me!

The rooms in the basement are small - even by bathroom standards. I'm not sure if the accommodation would have been one three room flat, or a two room and a store room, or three horrible dark rooms. It makes me very grateful for the light filled place I'm sitting in now.

As much as I'm fascinated by all things 1888 - I certainly wouldn't want to live there!

[moonbegger]

Yes indeed , but you'll have to wait until I've finished digging up the garden

moonbegger

[Scott Nelson]

I'd like to see a shot of Lawende's closet, please.