Dutfields Yard interior photograph, 1900

[Captain Hook]

Hi Sam,

I'll say something in defence of the Irish, parlour-game or not. I just spent six weks in New York and not a Welsh bar did I see.

Cheers,
Hook

[auspirograph]

That'd be the popular Irish parlour-game, rivalled in popularity only by "Give us a Word" and "Wrap the Parcel".

There's an Ancient Greek parlour game, that some may regard as ionic, where the players are engaged by a blind eunuch leading the blindfolded.

I understand that Dan Norder excels and is an 'expert' in this archaic form of solitary vasectomy.

[Supe]

Spiro,

There's an Ancient Greek parlour game, that some may regard as ionic

Groan! That is so bad I wish I had thought of it.

Don.

[anna]

Philip....

I would like to bring out a ray of sunshine on your find.....

So here it is for you.....


Bask in it's glory....it's all yours!!!!


ANNA.x

[Brenda]

Yeah, there's too much dwelling on the negative here.
Let's put it in perspective. Not only is it a great find, it is totally unbelievable that the thing even exists. Not only that, but the odds of Phil getting his Ripperology-loving hands on it is nothing short of a miracle of biblical proportions.

Then factor in that hot price he got it at. I don't think he could have found a frame for it at Wal-Mart at that price.

LIFE IS GOOD!!!!

[Cap'n Jack]

Sorry Folks, but I stand by me guns, the clothing of the people in the photograph appears to indicate that the dating of it is out by about thirty years.
I'm quite sure if George wants to settle the issue he will put the portion of the photo up which shows the young lady on the immediate left in her short and flimsy dress... and then we can all discuss it.

[Monty]

AP,

Im sure Philip will provide his evidence in his book, which no doubt you will be eager to purchase.

Monty

[John Bennett]

Yeah, there's too much dwelling on the negative here.

Wha? Phil never said anything about having the negative as well!

[Roy Corduroy]

...the clothing of the people in the photograph appears to indicate that the dating of it is out by about thirty years.

That's not possible, AP. That side of Berner St was demolished and redeveloped in 1909, shortly after the wagon wheel photo was taken.

Hope this helps,

Roy

[John Bennett]

This photograph was taken in Lincolnshire in 1889 - note high ankle count.

[Cap'n Jack]

Roy, yes that is something that bothers me.
John, if I'm not mistaken, that is not the photo we discuss.

My problems with the background of the photo stem from this 1888 illustration, which does appear to contradict what Rob and others are telling us, in that the buildings in the background here appear to be in the immediate background and not streets away as claimed.

[John Bennett]

John, if I'm not mistaken, that is not the photo we discuss.

Please don't patronise me. Of course it isn't. But if you're as smart as you make out, you will have understood that the picture gives an example of hem-line possiblities in the LVP.

[Cap'n Jack]

We could, John, play hem up or hem down all night, but that does not advance the issue in the photo we discuss... which is a young lady with a dress above her knees, and no stockings, on an open street in 1900.
Not a child, you'll note.

[Ally]

The girl on the left is wearing stockings you wittering nutbag, unless she has some weird condition that causes the lower part of her body to be coal black.

[Chris]

... the issue in the photo we discuss... which is a young lady with a dress above her knees, and no stockings, on an open street in 1900.
Not a child, you'll note.

I'll quote what Philip said about this again.

On the left, there are two little girls in smock dresses, maybe about 12. One nearest the camera is eating something. Both their skirts are knee-length and they are wearing dark stockings underneath. Further up on that side, one woman is looking up the yard. Her skirt is ankle length. The Jewish woman smiling at the camera has an ankle length skirt. There's half a woman visible at the back. Her skirt virtually touches the floor. There are three skirts in this photo that are not full length, and they are all worn by children.

That is based on the original photo. Clearly you are not in a position to contradict him, as you have seen only a very blurred low-resolution copy.