Census

[Sam Flynn]

The leg parting then, had other significance.

...and absolutely nothing to do with Censuses I believe another thread's been spawned from this one, Ashkenaz - better to take it up there (as the actor said to the bishop).

[Ben]

It's not as if the legs were unnaturally splayed, Ash.

If you fall, or are pushed over, the chances of your legs remaining "taut" together are exceptionally remote. You could access the abdomen without the victim's legs akimbo, certainly, but the task is rendered a lot simpler in that position. At the very least, you're operating from the front rather than at a side-angle.

By killing on the streets, his victims were bound to be discovered very quickly, but there's no reason to assume that he wouldn't have changed this (perhaps to a Nilsen/Dahmer-like set-up) if his domestic circumstances had allowed it.

Sorry, Gareth!

Regards,
Ben

[Ashkenaz]

.. better to take it up there (as the actor said to the bishop).

I've always wondered what the bishop said to the actress, now I know, thanks

[Ashkenaz]

It's not as if the legs were unnaturally splayed, Ash.

If you fall, or are pushed over, the chances of your legs remaining "taut" together are exceptionally remote. You could access the abdomen without the victim's legs akimbo, certainly, but the task is rendered a lot simpler in that position. At the very least, you're operating from the front rather than at a side-angle.

By killing on the streets, his victims were bound to be discovered very quickly, but there's no reason to assume that he wouldn't have changed this (perhaps to a Nilsen/Dahmer-like set-up) if his domestic circumstances had allowed it.

Sorry, Gareth!

Regards,
Ben

Well you can go with that if you want to

[lawson]

I am posting one of five episodes on jtr at youtube.

A police scientist believes that jtr was a local man. He also believes that it is possible to predict fairly accurately where the fiend lived.

The scientist believes jtr lived in Flower and Dean Street, Thrawl Street, or Fashion street.

Can anyone tell us when the census closest to 1888 was ? and perhaps the ones either side.

If the census was properly documented, and the scientist is correct, then we may have jtr's name,or pseudonym, as part of a long list of names.

Enjoy the video:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnzo0J...eature=related

The website http://www.census1891.com/ has a freely searchable database of some of the streets in question here from the 1891 census.

You can search by first name, surname, birthplace or occupation, or you can browse by street and house.

It's not complete, but seems to be growing week by week.

Regards

Lawson

[Ashkenaz]

A (very) quick and dirty survey of those entries Chris posted reveals that, of about 783 entries in total (inclusive of both censuses), only 34 male residents of 1881 seem to have still been there in 1891. They were:

John Alexander
Charles Beams/Beans
John Brooks
John Brown
William Brown
William Callaghan
Frederick Clarke
James Clarke
James Connor
John Cooney
John Crawley
James/John Fuller
James Hill
Thomas Jenkins
Thomas Johnson
William Johnson
John Jones
Thomas Jones
William Jones
John/Edward Lane
John/George/Alexander Mason
John Moore
Joseph Norton
Edwin Smith
George Smith
George Smith
Henry Smith
Thomas Smith
John Sullivan
John Taylor
George Walker
John White
Jack Williams

Note that the forenames with "/"s against them might have been from the same family. Whilst no single name appears in both censuses, I've made the assumption that at least one member of the family remained in Flower & Dean, possibly using a middle name in one census compared to the other.

This is very rough and ready, but it shows a little of what we're up against. In Flower & Dean Street at least, it seems that only circa 5% of the males from those samples taken in 1881 and 1891 were "long-term" residents of that street.

One of these names might be his. But of course, there is no good reason to suspect that he was a long term resident of flower and dean st. Also, the geographical profiler believed jtr equally likely to have resided in Thrawl or Fashion st.

I wonder if any of these names come up in violent crime against women in the area from 1880-1890. He may also[jtr] have a history of fire setting and animal torture I have read.

[Ashkenaz]

The website http://www.census1891.com/ has a freely searchable database of some of the streets in question here from the 1891 census.

You can search by first name, surname, birthplace or occupation, or you can browse by street and house.

It's not complete, but seems to be growing week by week.

Regards

Lawson

Thanks Lawson, but I am a technophobe, I need someone to do this for me. I want a list of mens names aged 16-50, who lived in Thrawl St, Fashion st and Flower and Dean St in 1891.

Thanks to anyone who can offer assistance.