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  • jerryd
    Chief Inspector
    • Feb 2008
    • 1741

    #1

    Familiar Circumstance

    The crime scene and circumstances:

    - A cul-de-sac
    - Victim in her forties
    -Found by a policeman that passed the spot nearly 15 minutes earlier
    - Victim was found in a pool of blood
    - It rained that night
    - A furniture maker named Harry Harris may have been yards east of the murder when it was committed.
    - The policeman immediatley found a witness who followed him back to the victim.
    - The nightwatchman of a business nearby heard no sound.
    - A person with an open window overlooking the crime scene heard nothing.
    - The victim used a last name alias of “Kelly” on occasion.
    - The victim hailed from a country town outside of London.
    - The cul-de-sac had only three main entrances from any major road.
    - The murder was and still is un-solved.

    What crime scene is similar to this one? Sounds stupid, I know. I found it rather interesting.
  • Abby Normal
    Commissioner
    • Jun 2010
    • 11939

    #2
    Originally posted by jerryd View Post
    The crime scene and circumstances:

    - A cul-de-sac
    - Victim in her forties
    -Found by a policeman that passed the spot nearly 15 minutes earlier
    - Victim was found in a pool of blood
    - It rained that night
    - A furniture maker named Harry Harris may have been yards east of the murder when it was committed.
    - The policeman immediatley found a witness who followed him back to the victim.
    - The nightwatchman of a business nearby heard no sound.
    - A person with an open window overlooking the crime scene heard nothing.
    - The victim used a last name alias of “Kelly” on occasion.
    - The victim hailed from a country town outside of London.
    - The cul-de-sac had only three main entrances from any major road.
    - The murder was and still is un-solved.

    What crime scene is similar to this one? Sounds stupid, I know. I found it rather interesting.
    Hi Jerry
    please expound!
    "Is all that we see or seem
    but a dream within a dream?"

    -Edgar Allan Poe


    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

    -Frederick G. Abberline

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    • MrBarnett
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      • Nov 2013
      • 5672

      #3
      Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
      Hi Jerry
      please expound!
      Mitre Square and Castle Alley...?
      Last edited by MrBarnett; 10-10-2018, 06:21 AM.

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      • Sam Flynn
        Casebook Supporter
        • Feb 2008
        • 13333

        #4
        Can a cul-de-sac have three entrances? I thought they only had one by definition.
        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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        • MrBarnett
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          • Nov 2013
          • 5672

          #5
          Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
          Can a cul-de-sac have three entrances? I thought they only had one by definition.
          That's what I thought, Gareth. Otherwise, I'm assuming it is Mitre Square and Castle Alley.

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          • MrBarnett
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            • Nov 2013
            • 5672

            #6
            Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
            That's what I thought, Gareth. Otherwise, I'm assuming it is Mitre Square and Castle Alley.
            I suppose one could also question whether Wolverhampton in particular was a 'country town'.

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            • MrBarnett
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              • Nov 2013
              • 5672

              #7
              Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
              I suppose one could also question whether Wolverhampton in particular was a 'country town'.
              We could add that both victims had been in Wandsworth prison on more than one occasion.

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              • Sam Flynn
                Casebook Supporter
                • Feb 2008
                • 13333

                #8
                Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                I suppose one could also question whether Wolverhampton in particular was a 'country town'.
                Even if it were, Eddowes and Clay Pipe Alice weren't the only non-native East Enders to be killed, nor the only ones who died in a pool of blood, or on a rainy night, so we can't read too much into those parallels.
                Last edited by Sam Flynn; 10-10-2018, 06:46 AM.
                Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                • jerryd
                  Chief Inspector
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 1741

                  #9
                  The murder described above are details from Alice McKenzie. I’ve mentioned this before but here is another similarity between the two murders (McKenzie/Eddowes). Alice’s body was found at the doorstep of David King and Sons. Eddowes’ body was found at the gate leading to a property formerly owned by David King and Sons.

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                  • Sam Flynn
                    Casebook Supporter
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 13333

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jerryd View Post
                    Eddowes’ body was found at the gate leading to a property formerly owned by David King and Sons.
                    If only it was King David, eh
                    Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                    "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                    • MrBarnett
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                      • Nov 2013
                      • 5672

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                      If only it was King David, eh
                      Oi!!!

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                      • Sam Flynn
                        Casebook Supporter
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 13333

                        #12
                        Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                        Oi!!!
                        !!!
                        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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