Seaside Home

[Bridewell]

There is Stewart Evans's suggestion of an ID at the Sailors' Home in Wells St.

There's quite a lot of information about the place here:-

http://www.victorianlondon.org/charities/sailorshome.htm

[Bridewell]

More here:-

http://www.victorianlondon.org/mayhew/mayhew47.htm#Sailor%27s%20Home

[Robert]

I don't have my books to hand, but wasn't it in "Scotland Yard Investigates"?

[Robert]

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Ce87AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT420&lpg=PT420&dq=scotland+yard+investigates+seaside+home&source=bl&ots=q-KN6SowuQ&sig=rr8qt8YA_qw9mUq2obxkw1256ig&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9kO_3vczUAhVJJcAKHbo9ABAQ6AEIOTAD#v=onepage&q=scotland%20yard%20investigates%20seaside%20home&f=false

[Phil Carter]

Hello Colin,

Whilst I admire the effort you have put into this idea, it is worth remembering that at this time there were dozens of 'Seaside Homes' all over the south coast.

The original suggestion of the Police Seaside Home at Hove came, I believe, from Donald Rumbelow. Please excuse my memory if faulty.
I do not believe he was aware of the myriad of possible places said 'Seaside Home' could have been at the time of his suggestion.

So.again..with great respect..if the 'Seaside Home" comment is to be believed in itself as true.. there are far many greater possibilities than a police orphanage.
(I used to live relatively near to the above)


Regards


Phil

[Robert]

Hi Phil

Wasn't the suggestion based on the fact that the 'seaside home' was capitalised?

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil

Wasn't the suggestion based on the fact that the 'seaside home' was capitalised?

Hello Robert,

I cannot recall it.. but bow to your better memory. ☺



Best regards


Phil

[Wickerman]

There is Stewart Evans's suggestion of an ID at the Sailors' Home in Wells St.

That was the most interesting solution I remember being offered.
I was wondering if anyone had researched into the possibility.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hello Robert,

I cannot recall it.. but bow to your better memory. ☺



Best regards


Phil

Hi Phil
Wasnt James Sadler subjected to an ID parade at a seamans home in connection with the Eddowes murder ?

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Jon Guy]

Hi Phil
Wasnt James Sadler subjected to an ID parade at a seamans home in connection with the Eddowes murder ?

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Sadler was put in an I.D. parade at Leman St P.S. (and it was Coles, 3 years later).
He had been staying at the Sailors place in Well`s Street, and he had been fingered by a fellow seaman whilst he was there (if you excuse the expression).

[Bridewell]

Hi Phil

Wasn't the suggestion based on the fact that the 'seaside home' was capitalised?

Which would suggest that Swanson had a particular location in mind - the Seaside Home of his understanding. I wonder if this reference was a private joke, rather than an allusion to the Police Convalescent Home in Hove. I can't believe that they 'sent' Kosminski' (assuming Aaron was meant) all the way from Colney Hatch to Brighton. Why not somewhere closer to home?

[Abby Normal]

Which would suggest that Swanson had a particular location in mind - the Seaside Home of his understanding. I wonder if this reference was a private joke, rather than an allusion to the Police Convalescent Home in Hove. I can't believe that they 'sent' Kosminski' (assuming Aaron was meant) all the way from Colney Hatch to Brighton. Why not somewhere closer to home?

maybe the sailors home, for whatever reason, was used as an unofficial ID parade place by police? Is there any affiliation between the police and this place at all?

[Robert]

Hi Colin

It does seem a very strange place to stage an ID, and the thinking has tended to be that the witness was convalescing in the home. But that would entail the witness being a Jewish policeman who put his religion before his duty as a policeman, and I find that very difficult to believe.

[PaulB]

Which would suggest that Swanson had a particular location in mind - the Seaside Home of his understanding. I wonder if this reference was a private joke, rather than an allusion to the Police Convalescent Home in Hove. I can't believe that they 'sent' Kosminski' (assuming Aaron was meant) all the way from Colney Hatch to Brighton. Why not somewhere closer to home?

In the serialisation of his memoirs in 1910 Anderson wrote: 'I will only add that when the individual whom we suspected was caged in an asylum, the only person who had ever had a good view of the murderer at once identified him...' It could be inferred from this that Kosminski was identified in the asylum.
However, this line was not included in the book edition, possibly because Anderson realised it was untrue. Other explanations for its absence are possible, of course. Swanson makes it clear that the identification took place before Kosminski was committed, because he states that after the identification the suspect was watched by and night by the City police, then taken by his family to the doctor, who committed him. If this is correct then Kosminski was not taken from Colney Hatch to Hove.

[Bridewell]

In the serialisation of his memoirs in 1910 Anderson wrote: 'I will only add that when the individual whom we suspected was caged in an asylum, the only person who had ever had a good view of the murderer at once identified him...' It could be inferred from this that Kosminski was identified in the asylum.
However, this line was not included in the book edition, possibly because Anderson realised it was untrue. Other explanations for its absence are possible, of course. Swanson makes it clear that the identification took place before Kosminski was committed, because he states that after the identification the suspect was watched by and night by the City police, then taken by his family to the doctor, who committed him. If this is correct then Kosminski was not taken from Colney Hatch to Hove.

Thanks, Paul. I should have picked up on that.