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  • #46
    Hi Corey,

    Regardless of the subject of your threads, it seems many enjoy your opinions on what made JTR tick. That says something.

    Back to police... I do have a question about Batty Street. Would anyone know who had that beat? I am interested in this because of the Batty St Lodger incident on the night of the double event.

    Sincerely,

    Mike
    The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
    http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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    • #47
      Hi Mike,

      Thank you so much. I am glad you enjoy what I think made Jack tick. Not sure everyone else does, but some do.

      I can try to find this out.
      Washington Irving:

      "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

      Stratford-on-Avon

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      • #48
        Originally posted by DVV View Post
        Seems the proper thread to ask this...
        Anyone knows the names of PCs 232 and 539, from K division ?

        Amitiés,
        David
        Hi David,

        I just got this message for you from Keith Skinner:

        The names he has are:

        K 232 - Roland Saw - joined 30 May 1881

        K 539 - Thomas Longhurst - joined 29 March 1886

        Hope that helps!

        Love,

        Caz
        X
        "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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        • #49
          That's wonderful!

          Many thanks Caroline and Keith.

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          • #50
            Can anyone here shed some light on the movements of the patrolmen were during the time of the murders.

            Basically im looking to see what their rotation was as well as how often the rotations took place.

            Also, Im well aware that there many patrolmen out on the streets during the time of the murders but I was wondering if there was way to find out their names?

            Any help would be great.
            Im just a guy with a flashlight and an open mind looking for answers. Before I do, I need to find the questions first.

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            • #51
              Although I have copies of a Beat Book for Arbour Square, I don't know of one for any other H station. Perhaps someone has beat details?

              PCs would have been 'told off' for beats when parading and rarely would have been posted to the same beat for more than one shift. Without the Station Register you can only pick up PCs whereabouts from statements written about their movements.

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              • #52
                What exactly does that entail

                P.C. Roadnight, what exactly is in your beat book? Could you possibly post the beat routes? Dave
                We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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                • #53
                  P.C Roadnight,

                  Yes I agree with Dave, I would love to see this book .

                  Yours truly
                  Washington Irving:

                  "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                  Stratford-on-Avon

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                  • #54
                    I'll have to dig it out of my archives, but willdo. It's a copy I made from an old 1880-90s beat book belonging to an old-timer PC I worked with in South London. He had been at Arbour Square just before and after WW2 and 'acquired' it then.

                    Doesn't I'm afraid give anything much for our area of interest but it may serve to show how beats were detailed off at the time.

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                    • #55
                      PC Roadnight,

                      It will be a great thing to see as I am not only interested in the murders by Jack the Ripper I am interested in the ways the police, particularily the Metropoliton Police worked back in the victorian era.

                      Please do, when you have the chance, elaborate on this beat book.

                      I have a question, did the Police Constible who owned the book belong to Met or City of London police?

                      Yours truly
                      Washington Irving:

                      "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                      Stratford-on-Avon

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                      • #56
                        I second that sentiment PC Roadnight. I am interested in coverage area in general for each station, but your book could be a real boon for understanding individual beat coverage as well. Dave
                        We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by corey123 View Post
                          PC Roadnight,

                          It will be a great thing to see as I am not only interested in the murders by Jack the Ripper I am interested in the ways the police, particularily the Metropoliton Police worked back in the victorian era.

                          Please do, when you have the chance, elaborate on this beat book.

                          I have a question, did the Police Constible who owned the book belong to Met or City of London police?

                          Yours truly
                          Met like me, but an 'old-timer' who was a mine of information. In many ways 'The Job' was still very similar in the 1960s to pre-war, and that was not too far away from the 1860s!

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                          • #58
                            Hello Peter,

                            Thats interesting. I dont know why, but I have always been more interested into the Metropoliton police than the City of London Police. Have you seen the first post in this thread?

                            I found a neat listing of the 1888-90 Divisional stations and their man power, Very interesting.

                            Yours truly
                            Last edited by corey123; 08-28-2010, 07:48 PM.
                            Washington Irving:

                            "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                            Stratford-on-Avon

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by mklhawley View Post
                              Hi Corey,

                              Regardless of the subject of your threads, it seems many enjoy your opinions on what made JTR tick. That says something.

                              Back to police... I do have a question about Batty Street. Would anyone know who had that beat? I am interested in this because of the Batty St Lodger incident on the night of the double event.

                              Sincerely,

                              Mike
                              Mike,

                              Did you ever discover who was on this beat?

                              Yours truly
                              Washington Irving:

                              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                              Stratford-on-Avon

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                              • #60
                                How are we coming on that book Mr. Roadnight? Just curious, certainly not slavedriving. Dave
                                We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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