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  • Natalie Severn
    Commissioner
    • Feb 2008
    • 4863

    #301
    Chris,
    Yes,I think Aaron was a serious suspect---although I have serious problems with Anderson"s stated reasoning for this.
    But presented the way you have ,I agree that it may well have been quite sensitive and only a few "knew" he was suspected of being Jack the Ripper.
    But from what we know very few other policemen believed in such a suspect.
    Cheers
    N

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    • Chris
      Inactive
      • Feb 2008
      • 3840

      #302
      Originally posted by Natalie Severn View Post
      For what its worth I did not mean that.I meant that Colney Hatch and Leavesdon were not the places where dangerous lunatics were sent----which Broadmoor was.
      I'm sorry, but I just don't think that's correct.

      There were dangerous lunatics at Colney Hatch (as I thought you'd agreed above).

      And in fact dangerous lunatics could not be sent to Broadmoor unless there was evidence that they had committed a criminal offence.

      But - at the risk of repeating myself - the point is academic, because we know that when Aaron was committed to Colney Hatch he was considered not to be dangerous.

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      • Natalie Severn
        Commissioner
        • Feb 2008
        • 4863

        #303
        Chris -exactly he was considered not to be dangerous.
        Also I am pretty certain that Colney Hatch and Leavesdon catered,"in the long term" for the less violent.
        Best
        N

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        • Chris
          Inactive
          • Feb 2008
          • 3840

          #304
          Originally posted by Natalie Severn View Post
          Yes,I think Aaron was a serious suspect---although I have serious problems with Anderson"s stated reasoning for this.
          Oh, absolutely. The fact that he argues that right at the start he'd worked out - on the most nonsensical and prejudiced grounds - that the killer was a Polish Jew is sufficient to cast serious doubt on his claims that this theory was vindicated by subsequent events.

          As I keep saying, I think it's very unlikely that Aaron had anything to do with the murders.

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          • The Good Michael
            Assistant Commissioner
            • Feb 2008
            • 3773

            #305
            Originally posted by Natalie Severn View Post
            Can I ask you,have you ever worked in an institution for the mentally ill?What training do you have to state claims are "unsupported"?
            Well, I'm on this site. There must be some experienced gained in this arena. What I was talking about was the throwing around of 'facts' about Kosminsky that are nothing of the sort. I wasn't referring to you specifically, but to teh same tired arguments that are not facts, but just surmise.

            Mike
            huh?

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            • celee
              Detective
              • Feb 2008
              • 322

              #306
              Originally posted by The Good Michael View Post
              Kosminsky teh

              Mike
              Hey, the name is Kosminski, not Kosminsky and the, not teh. Such spelling mistakes are unacceptable

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              • The Good Michael
                Assistant Commissioner
                • Feb 2008
                • 3773

                #307
                Actually the old spelling was Kosminski. The accepted spelling is Kosminsky.

                Thanks for checking though.

                Mike
                huh?

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                • celee
                  Detective
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 322

                  #308
                  [QUOTE=The Good Michael;86591]Actually the old spelling was Kosminski. The accepted spelling is Kosminsky.

                  Thanks for checking though.

                  Mike[/QUOTE

                  Macnaughten spelled the name Kosminski and Swanson spelled the name Kosminski. So, who decided the name was Kosminsky. Teh is also the accepted spelling of the.

                  Brad
                  Last edited by celee; 05-20-2009, 11:49 AM.

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                  • The Good Michael
                    Assistant Commissioner
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 3773

                    #309
                    Brad,

                    It was on the gravestone. I suppose that could be wrong, however.

                    Mike
                    huh?

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                    • Chris
                      Inactive
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 3840

                      #310
                      Here's how the surname appears on Aaron's birth registration:
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                      • The Good Michael
                        Assistant Commissioner
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 3773

                        #311
                        Chris,

                        was that with an 's'?

                        Mike
                        huh?

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                        • Jeff Leahy
                          Assistant Commissioner
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 3740

                          #312
                          I’ve got a feeling that the precise spelling of the name might well have altered depending on who wrote it, I don’t think it had the importance that it does today. Do I seem to remember Rob saying it was actually only the place name in Poland/Germany/Russia where the family came from?

                          Pirate

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                          • robhouse
                            Inspector
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 1222

                            #313
                            The name is spelled Kozminski in Polish records, and also Kozminski on Aaron's committal order, medical certificate, asylum records etc. However, Swanson and Macnaghten referred to him as Kosminski. His Mile End admission clearly got the name wrong (once it was Kosorimski and the other time Korominski). His grave spelled his name Kozminsky.

                            So I think the correct spelling was Kozminski.

                            There was a town about 15 miles southwest of Klodawa called Kozmin... this is probably where the name came from.

                            Rob H
                            Last edited by robhouse; 05-20-2009, 05:29 PM.

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                            • Roy Corduroy
                              Chief Inspector
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 1654

                              #314
                              Thanks Rob and everyone for the research into Aaron Kosminski.

                              Yet there stands David Cohen, and I think he was Nathan Kasminsky of Black Lion Yard. Cohen/Kasminsky fits the suspect profile much better. Had syphilis, was a violent lunatic, arrested in Dec 88, taken away in restraint, commited and died soon thereafter. He hits so many bullets that Aaron does not.

                              Somehow this person became, to McNaghten and Swanson - "Kosminski"

                              Roy
                              Sink the Bismark

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                              • Jeff Leahy
                                Assistant Commissioner
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 3740

                                #315
                                Well actually Roy, Kaminsky doesn’t fit the profile because he couldn’t have gone mad from Syphilis in the time frame of a few months…it takes several years to go mad from Syphilis. And the fact remains that Cohen came into a tempary seaman’s mission and was probably only in the country for a few days…

                                As I’ve been trying to point out Aaron actually fits the Schizophrenic profile perfectly, and most modern experts say that his behavior after being admitted is what they would expect. It is the raving maniac myth perpetrated by Martin Fido that has it wrong…NOT Rob.

                                All the best

                                Pirate

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