Frederick Abberline

[MysterySinger]

From Observer: After a basic search, I now believe it likely that the word Juwes, to mean Jubela Jubelo and Jubelum, has it's origins as a result of the Whitechapel atrocities. An early urban myth. Find a reference pre 1888 whereby Juwes was a collective name for Jubela, Jubelo, Jubelum, and I'd be more convinced.

From Pierre: I am sorry you have come to believe that. It is wrong.

I'm not clear what Pierre thinks is wrong - whether the word Juwes doesn't refer to the three ruffians, whether it has any relevance to the Masons, whether the word wasn't in use prior to 1888, whether it has any relevance to the case or not. It would be good to clear his point up but either way he is entitled to hold that view.

Searching the internet, it does seem clear that some Masonic sites do refer to Juwes as the three ruffians. Whether the Masons did so prior to 1888 remains to be shown - it would be interesting to find out.

Amongst many theories I have regarding JTR is that he held a very strong sense of injustice about something and was reeling against the system, the establishment and, in particular both the Police and the Masonic movement (maybe even Mr Warren himself). I think he could have been sending messages both through the crimes he committed and in his choice of location and MOI. I'm less convinced that the victims, per se, were chosen because of who they were (their connections or names) than the fact that they were able to be murdered and left at the locations they were. The more experienced Ripperologists among you.won't find anything new in this. It wouldn't rule him out of being a Policeman and could certainly fit the placement of a torso at Scotland Yard. But then, what do I know?

[GUT]

Hi all

May I suggest that BEFORE Pierre hijacks this thread, ignore his comments unless he has something to back up his nonsense.

Nicole

Probably the best bit of advice ever given on these boards.

[nicole]

Hi all

May I suggest that BEFORE Pierre hijacks this thread, ignore his comments unless he has something to back up his nonsense.

Nicole

[Pierre]

My Dear Pierre,

So you have data to back this up I assume.

yes or no please

Yes.

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

Hi,

I am sorry you have come to believe that. It is wrong.

Regards Pierre

My Dear Pierre,

So you have data to back this up I assume.

yes or no please

[Pierre]

Hi Mysterysinger

After a basic search, I now believe it likely that the word Juwes, to mean Jubela Jubelo and Jubelum, has it's origins as a result of the Whitechapel atrocities. An early urban myth. Find a reference pre 1888 whereby Juwes was a collective name for Jubela, Jubelo, Jubelum, and I'd be more convinced.

Hi,

I am sorry you have come to believe that. It is wrong.

Regards Pierre

[Observer]

Hi Mysterysinger

After a basic search, I now believe it likely that the word Juwes, to mean Jubela Jubelo and Jubelum, has it's origins as a result of the Whitechapel atrocities. An early urban myth. Find a reference pre 1888 whereby Juwes was a collective name for Jubela, Jubelo, Jubelum, and I'd be more convinced.

[Observer]

And Goulston Street may not have been so random?
http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/letter-g.html

Come on, pull the other one.

[MysterySinger]

Hi, MysterySinger,

There are a lot of links on the Net about the J-names and the story of "The Three Ruffians".
This search on "jubela jubela jubelum" has sites reflecting the Masonic viewpoint, and some referring to the GSG:

jubela jubelo jubelum

Thanks Pat. Unfortunately, the more I look at these, the more "links" I'm inferring given the symbolism therein. I think I'd better stop looking at these for the time being.

[Observer]

Ah yes but there's many a true word spoken in jest.

Not in this instance

[Observer]

It doesn't matter whether or not it was written by JTR - the connection to the Graffito was made before the words were wiped off.

You've lost me here. Lets suppose it wasn't written by JTR, who on Earth in the early hours of that September morning, in Goulston Street, 100 yards or so from one of the worst streets in London, namely Dorset Street, would make a reference to the Masonic order? In my opinion it's a mis-spelling, providing of course, as Gut has implied, the actual word as written was Juwes.

[MysterySinger]

In sarcasm yes

Ah yes but there's many a true word spoken in jest.

[MysterySinger]

One

http://freemasonrywatch.org/jacktheripper.html

Another

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=R4kdCAAAQBAJ&pg=PT117&lpg=PT117&dq=jubela+jubelo+jubelum+meaning&source=bl&ots=prJArMZHuF&sig=rOHZqMH2s0IL2tfV5jIGgWCVl9Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW1KXI9frJAhXKVxQKHRreDec4ChDoAQgnMAI#v=onepage&q=jubela%20jubelo%20jubelum%20meaning&f=false

And Goulston Street may not have been so random?

http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/letter-g.html

[Observer]

And it was Observer who mentioned a hush up first.

In sarcasm yes

[Pcdunn]

Hi, MysterySinger,

There are a lot of links on the Net about the J-names and the story of "The Three Ruffians".
This search on "jubela jubela jubelum" has sites reflecting the Masonic viewpoint, and some referring to the GSG:

jubela jubelo jubelum