There must be a photo of Frederick Abberline

[Jon Guy]

I`ve never noticed him before, Rob. Crikey.

[robhouse]

I always thought this guy looked more like abberline... plus, he kind of looks like he is hiding behind the guy in front of him. He's got the clean shaven chin apparently, with thick sideburns, and a bowler hat.

RH

[BillyE]

I'll apologize at the begining for the length of this post. I tried myself to find a picture of Inspector Abberline. Didn't really get very far. I found out through a web site the Pinkerton Agency, which went from being a detective agency to a security agency, was bought by the Swiss security company Securitas. I emailed the public relations agent for Securitas about a picture of one of the old Pinkerton Detectives, and he replied all the Pinkerton documents, photos, and other archives were donated to the Library of Congress (LoC). I emailed the LoC and got a negative reply, saying they had no information on Abberline. I've since called the LoC and they no longer even have an extention for a reference librarian. Thanks to some info given to me by Andrew Spallek and Chris Scott I emailed the library in Bournemouth, England where Abberline retired to, and to the public relations agent for the European office of the Pinkertons which seem to still work as a detective agency. I received a package of copies of all the Abberline related information the Bournemouth Library had, and as interesting as it was there wasn't anything in there I couldn't have gotten from the Casebook. I've yet to get a reply from the Pinkerton agent, after two or so emails. It's my understanding Andy Aliffe is conducting his own search for the elusive photo, and I wish him my best and eagerly await his findings, but the photo mentioned in this thread did appear in The Ripperologist issue 72, and there are a couple of possibilities in the group photo for Abberline, although I tend to think it's the candidate on the left. Time will possibly tell.

[halomanuk]

Yep,the only one i can think of is the police division photo that people 'think' shows Abberline..but,once again,no concrete conclusion on that,which is very very frustrating - so near and yet so far !!

I will go along with Andy Spallek : someone,somewhere,will have a photo of him,it is a wait and see game i'm afraid.

[Robert]

Hanney, do not forget the third person plural jussive subjunctive!

HSQ, MA

PS Suzi, even the Teletubbies are putting you to shame :

BAMBER GASCOIGNE : What is the Latin for "I go"?

TINKY WINKY : E-o.

BAMBER GASCOIGNE : Ten points!

[Jon Guy]

Suzi. Conjugate the verb "to go", third person plural present indicative, using the imperative and taking the locative, which is ...Romans Go Home
Now write it out a hundred times. And if it`s not done by sunrise I`ll cut your balls off. Hail Caesar.

[Suzi]

The Romans they walk towards the 'ouse?? Write it out 100 times!!!

Going to have a play miself with that guy (!) in Sam's pic

[Jon Guy]

Chap in the middle, Jon...

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Thanks Sam

Jane`s portrait, taken from the sketches, looks very similar to the "other chap" in the photo.

[Dave O]

Ah, thank you for refreshing my memory, Mike Covell. The photo on page 25 of SYI is the one I was thinking of.

[Bob Hinton]

Abberlines Photo

I contacted Pinkertons a few years ago as Abberline ended up working for them, but they wanted a load of cash to have a look.

Perhaps one of our American cousins could do a bit of gentle arm twisting!

[Jane Coram]

Many thanks Jon,

I knew someone would know! Actually, I think they are hazel in the painting rather than brown, as I sort of cheated and went for a colour that could have been either brown or hazel to cover my bets. Lol. I reckon I can probably leave them as they are and get away with it.



Jane

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[Mike Covell]

I second that, great picture Jane.

[Jon Guy]

Hi Jane

Abberline`s pension record details show his eyes as hazel, dark brown hair and fresh complexion.

Fantastic painting!!!

[Jane Coram]

There are actually four sketches of Abberline that I have found....(I don't think I've seen any others, and they are posted here. I recently did a portrait of Abberline from one of the sketches and am in the process of doing another, although there has to be some guesswork. I couldn't find any record of the colour of his eyes, so guessed at brown. Anyone have any idea?

I'm 100% convinced that the photo above on this thread is Abberline, having spent so much time staring at him! I think it matches up very well with the newspaper sketch - for what it's worth.

Love

Jane

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[Sam Flynn]

Which "other" gent do you mean, Sam?

Chap in the middle, Jon...