What's your profile for Jack?

[lynn cates]

attentive

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

OK. So she paid no attention?

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"A thought just occurred to me in regards to "sailor man". What if his red bandana thing was used as a means to subdue Eddowes into position to slit her throat?"

Very well. But when he began removing it for the kill, would Kate have been alarmed?

Cheers.
LC

Not if he was behind her. Just an idea.

[lynn cates]

cutting remarks

Hello Damaso. Thanks.

I have no reason but to believe that, as Cris says, she was taken down quickly. Then she was cut.

I think Liz was cut on the way down--perhaps with her neck only 2-3 feet from the ground.

Cheers.
LC

[Damaso Marte]

Lynn,

Do you no longer believe that Eddowes was first cut on the ground?

[lynn cates]

Liz and Kate

Hello Cris.

"My opinion (and it's not a conclusive one) is that both Stride and Eddowes were just quickly taken down and their throats cut before they had time to react."

Actually, this is my opinion too.

Cheers.
LC

[Hunter]

It is generally thought that Polly and Annie were throttled and strangled with the evidence of such as Lynn indicated. Liz Stride and Kate Eddowes are more problematic as no signs of strangulation were given by the medicos involved. Their testimony in both cases show that they were uncertain as to how these two were initially overpowered. The method of garroting was suggested following the Mylett incident and is a popular idea with some today.

My opinion (and its not a conclusive one) is that both Stride and Eddowes were just quickly taken down and their throats cut before they had time to react. Abrasions to Eddowes' face indicate a sudden and violent take down to me with the side of her face literally slammed into the pavement. It would actually be more effective. The initial shock could preclude any noise or defensive action on the victim's part before the killer cuts the throat. That is why I think the throat cuts were different in the two cases as opposed to the previous two. Strangulation requires more time and can give the victim an opportunity to struggle.

If this was the same killer, he had learned to be more effective.

[lynn cates]

Putting out the tongue.

Hello David.

"No victim has ever been strangled.
All we have are signs of suffocation.
The murderer never meant to kill his victims by strangulation."

Very well. But Polly had a lacerated tongue; Annie, one that protruded.

Interesting signs.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

alarm

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"A thought just occurred to me in regards to "sailor man". What if his red bandana thing was used as a means to subdue Eddowes into position to slit her throat?"

Very well. But when he began removing it for the kill, would Kate have been alarmed?

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

No quadrumane

I'm not offended, not at all my friend.
It's just that we seem to do more things with our arms and hands than with our legs and feet, and that there was no rue Morgue in Whitechapel.
Cheers

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Thanks DVV

I'll review. Like I said, my library is limited. Speculating without data is something I don't like to do. And when I do I make it obvious. Others here have more knowledge and resource than I. So when I ask it is because I am attempting to gain more data from more knowledgable sources than I. Please take as little offense as possible and help those who are less knowledgable as you can stand it. Many blessings.

[DVV]

How were Nichols and Chapman suffocated or whatever? Hand over the mouth and a pinched nose?

It may be a very slow and drizzly day here in Provence, but I'm not going to quote all the inquests and post-mortems.
Read them yourself, and if you reach the conclusion that he used a clothes-peg to pinch their nose, you're welcome to start a new thread.

Cheers

[DVV]

I am seriously asking, how did Eddowes killer execute her takedown/subduing? In your opinion.

I've already quoted the coroner.
I believe the coroner didn't take the pain to add "with his hands", as it could hardly have been with his feets, nor by the power of his eyes (it was dark).

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

While we are at it...

How were Nichols and Chapman suffocated or whatever? Hand over the mouth and a pinched nose? Followed by a polite request to not struggle till they were properly rendered subdued. Now I'm giving attitude. So it's clear. Notice a difference? For the future.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

No need to be shnarky

I am seriously asking, how did Eddowes killer execute her takedown/subduing? In your opinion. I'm not playing games. Much gratitude in advance

[DVV]

And death is only a possible outcome of strangulation or suffocation. If onepursues it to that extent.

Have a look at the relevant thread(s).