Patterns formed by murder locations

[Fisherman]

Lynn:

"Well, how many Eastenders do you know?"

Quite a few, actually - but none of them were around in 1888. But only the fewest of those who WERE would have had reason to travel along the routes were the Whitechapel killer(s) - just for you, Lynn - struck, and at the approximate times he (ooops!) did so.

"You mean Paul? He was close to Polly. A few yards? Hutch, Bowyer, etc."

Nope - guess again!

"Who implicated him for a lie?"

Mizen did. In advance, even, and unwittingly. But the only way we can believe Mizen, is by misbelieving Lechmere.

"Might be mine--if I watched CSI. I don't."

Good! Then you can spare the time to study Canter, Rossmo and some other authorities, who have noticed that serial killers often have a propensity to kill along their own beaten tracks. CSI is fiction, serial killers are a reality.

Stay well!
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

ruling in and out

Hello Raven. Thanks.

"LC if no suspect can be physically placed at all five crime scenes (and recall that I think six, adding Martha Tabram), can any be proven not at all crime scenes? Well, Prince Eddy for one."

A few others. Cream and Deeming.

"Your "multiple murderers" stance is interesting and very possibly correct, but I don't think we can completely rule out one lone knife man!"

Can't disagree.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

this, that, followed by other

Hello Christer. Thanks.

"I can´t even think of any Eastender who had a reason to BE at all the murder spots at the approximate times of the killings - but for one man."

Well, how many Eastenders do you know?

"I can´t think of any suspect that was in very close physical contact with any of the victims - but for one man."

You mean Paul? He was close to Polly. A few yards? Hutch, Bowyer, etc.

"Nor can I think of any suspect that used a phony name when speaking to the police about the killings - but for one man."

Phony name? I give. Quien?

"Come to think of it, I can´t think of any suspect either, that was implicated as having lied about his actions on the murder night by a PC connected to the case - but for one man."

Who implicated him for a lie?

"And fascinatingly, its actually the same man in every instance."

Sorry, but I do not share the fascination.

"Which is why I think that looking for "patterns" in the murder spots may be as useless at it is entertaining."

Ah! Now we agree.

"Looking for a comfort zone applicable on a man that is surrounded by anomalies, double identities and quite possibly a tailormade lie to get him through the police net on the murder night is much more my cup of tea."

Might be mine--if I watched CSI. I don't.

Cheers.
LC

[RivkahChaya]

You realize I was totally kidding, right?

I think you are unwise to reject Swedish research because it doesn`t agree with your own experience - your ideas seem rather out of date.

I don't reject the Swedish research. I reject your application of it to the Ripper letters.

Puttting dyslexic pupils in a class of special needs children would be counter-effective, to say the least.

The dyslexic students I worked with, and observed were not in self-contained classrooms with lower-functioning students.

The way special ed. works in the US is that slightly below average to bright students with specific disabilities that cause them to need extra tutoring, or extra time can spend time in a resource room. In high school "Resource" is a class they're assigned to, and it's a little like study hall (a class period for prepping or working on the next day's homework), except students get a grade for resource, and don't get a grade for study hall.

We have honors students in resource rooms. Some of them have minor hearing impairments, some of them have motor skills problems, some are dyslexic, some have Asperger's syndrome, some have ADD, some have chronic illnesses, and more than normal absences. Dyslexic students often take prepared portions of exams in resource, or they may have special exam prep. I remember one student who used to be able to study a list of vocabulary words that would be on an exam before he took it, but it was prepared in such a way that it didn't give away what the actual questions would be. A student with cerebral palsy might get a test given orally, if it's a Scan-tron multiple choice (fill in the circles) test, or he might be allow to type out answers on a keyboard.

On a regular day, dyslexic students would get help, depending on the degree of help they needed, in various forms, such as having a teacher go over a reading assignment with them, or receive prepared notes from their classes for the day (some kids with severe dyslexia qualified for a notetaker, and they'd be assigned to the same section of a class, when one than one was taking that class, so an aide could take notes, type them up, and photocopy them). Hearing impaired students would get notetakers as well.

In the earlier grades, a resource room was where a child with dyslexia would go just for his reading instruction, which was usually 1-1 or 1-2 teacher-student, and return to the regular classroom for the rest of the day. Depending on his individual plan, he might return to the resource teacher for extra tutoring after school, or during a reading-based class period like "social studies," but was otherwise just a regular student.

That's what I'm talking about, when I'm talking about dyslexic students in special ed. Now, there are also private schools just for students with dyslexia, but parents pay out of pocket for those, unless they can get their health insurance to pay for them.

We don't put bright students with specific learning disabilities, or physical disabilities in the self-contained classrooms with severely retarded kids. And we don't put those kids in with kids with behavior disturbances. (And no, "behavior disturbances" is not a euphemism for autism. In my experience, autistic kids who have never been institutionalized don't exhibit violent or disturbed behavior, unless they also have some other problem as well, like ODD, or ADHD, or have been in a lot of foster homes, or abused, although, then they do show them in spades, because they can't talk about what has happened to them, or the frustrations they're experiencing.)

[RavenDarkendale]

Interesting, I had not thought that the bodies were placed in the spots was compatible with the crime scenes.

LC if no suspect can be physically placed at all five crime scenes (and recall that I think six, adding Martha Tabram), can any be proven not at all crime scenes? Well, Prince Eddy for one.

Your "multiple murderers" stance is interesting and very possibly correct, but I don't think we can completely rule out one lone knife man!

These so-called patterns remind me of James Randi's statements in his book Flim-flam, concerning UFO abductee's Betty and Barney Hill. Betty Hill claimed she had been given a "star map". The different stars were connected in a pattern which supposedly lead to the extraterrestrial's home world. Randi pointed out that removing the lines made the stars just random dots which could be connected in any way by drawing lines. You would have to have a starting point, and direction in which to draw lines in a preconceived pattern to use the map as drawn. Say you start at alpha-centari, draw lines to three given directions, form an arrow using these three points, then a line from the tip of the arrow on a 45 degree angle to find a planet. No mention of a starting point, no map.

This goes for any pattern in the Ripper killings, you need a starting point and a direction in which to draw your pattern, with a preconceived shape in mind. I believe the British would say: "Bullocks!"

[curious4]

Maybe it wasn't in the shape of a cross-- we're connecting the dots wrong; it was supposed to be the shape of a KITE, because JTR is a notoriously bad speller (prasarved, nise, etc.) and he misspelled KIKE. Just another dig at Jews again.

"From Hell" could even be a reference to the Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu which is heavily plagiarized in Protocols of the Elders of Zion.



Check your sarcas-o-meters before replying.

Battle lines drawn, bureaucrat Armegeddon booked in some weeks hence, leaving me free to join the fray again - at least for a while.

Dear Rifkah,

I don`t think your Kike/Kite theory has much of a chance of getting off the ground (couldn't resist that). Also "Kike" is more of an american expression and I think you would find it hard to place it in the cockney of the 1880s.

Jack "a notorious bad speller"? How would you explain the K in "Knif" and the "W" in whores? The Openshaw letter is a prime example of bad spelling - intentional or otherwise, - for example "nife", "mi" but in general shows few of the pointers which would make one suspect dyslexia.

I think you are unwise to reject Swedish research because it doesn`t agree with your own experience - your ideas seem rather out of date. Puttting dyslexic pupils in a class of special needs children would be counter-effective, to say the least. As at least two of the Swedish royal family are dyslectic, perhaps the condition has received more attention over here.

I think it has been very well-established by now that Jack probably tried to incriminate the jews of the area, either through genuine anti-semitism or because he saw the way the wind was blowing in the police investigation. The Chief Rabbi of the time was swift to challenge and to disprove various theories. There was, as there is now, a good deal of anti-semitism among the ignorant and also in many who should have known better. Whether or not the killer was jewish, christian, british or "foreign" is, in my opinion, unimportant and leads us no further on into the question of who Jack was and why he did what he did (unless, of course, he was what is termed "a religous maniac" and I can see no obvious indications of this. The jewish "angle" has been discussed more than fully and takes us nowhere. Kosminsky was suspected not because he was a jew, but because he lived in the area and was mentally unstable. Although the fact that he happened also to be jewish probably fitted the agenda of some of the police at the time.

My views and I stand by them.

Best wishes,
C4

"Americans speak in catch-phrases. It leaves their minds free for more important things, like sex and making money." Somerset Maugham

[Fisherman]

Correct , Lynn.

I can´t even think of any Eastender who had a reason to BE at all the murder spots at the approximate times of the killings - but for one man.

I can´t think of any suspect that was in very close physical contact with any of the victims - but for one man.

Nor can I think of any suspect that used a phony name when speaking to the police about the killings - but for one man.

Come to think of it, I can´t think of any suspect either, that was implicated as having lied about his actions on the murder night by a PC connected to the case - but for one man.

And fascinatingly, its actually the same man in every instance.

Which is why I think that looking for "patterns" in the murder spots may be as useless at it is entertaining. Looking for a comfort zone applicable on a man that is surrounded by anomalies, double identities and quite possibly a tailormade lie to get him through the police net on the murder night is much more my cup of tea.

The best,
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

location, location, location

Hello Christer. Thanks. Although nearly any resident of the East End could have passed all the locations, I do not know of a single "suspect" who can be placed at all five. At most, I know of a handful of people who can be placed at ONE location near the time of a murder.

Cheers.
LC

[Fisherman]

Lynn:

" Which spots? All five locations?"

If you please, Lynn.

The best,
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

preferences

Hello Dave. Cute.

I prefer pure Darjeeling, OK? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[RivkahChaya]

Maybe it wasn't in the shape of a cross-- we're connecting the dots wrong; it was supposed to be the shape of a KITE, because JTR is a notoriously bad speller (prasarved, nise, etc.) and he misspelled KIKE. Just another dig at Jews again.

"From Hell" could even be a reference to the Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu which is heavily plagiarized in Protocols of the Elders of Zion.



Check your sarcas-o-meters before replying.

[Cogidubnus]

I was more thinking placing any one potential killer PHYSICALLY at EITHER spot, Lynn. I know about your preferences otherwise.

My...matters I wouldn't even ask Lynn's missus about!

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

In donde esta?

Hello Christer. Thanks. Which spots? All five locations?

Cheers.
LC

[Fisherman]

I was more thinking placing any one potential killer PHYSICALLY at EITHER spot, Lynn. I know about your preferences otherwise.

the best,
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

giving up

Hello Christer. Thanks.

"What´ve you got?"

Why, nothing. Recall, I gave up on that "one killer" rot ages ago.

Cheers.
LC