New Ripper angle

[RivkahChaya]

Hello all ,

I still dont get where this is a Conspiracy Theory ?

Anything involving a plan to kill certain targeted women, by more than one person, with a motive other than plain old sociopathy, is a conspiracy. Anything involving "the police know who did it, but covered it up" is a conspiracy theory. Anything with elements of both is a conspiracy theory. Technically, anything with to people doing the killings, a la, The Hillside Stranglers, is a conspiracy theory, or even with a complicit wife or mother who helped with cover-up and clean up is a conspiracy theory, but I don't hear things like that much.

A conspiracy is always going to be the more complicated answer to a problem, when a simpler one is usually available, making conspiracies always unlikely, not to mention the fact that any particular one relies on a number of people not having said a word, ever to the end of their lives.

Here's a good example of a real conspiracy vs. a nutcase one: aliens at Roswell. The government covered up some weapons testing going on at an Air Force base in Roswell, New Mexico, partly so as not to alarm people, and partly so as to keep curious people our of the line of fire. Part of the testing involved sending up a lot of weather balloons, some of which were spotted, and caused some minor UFO panics, which the government shrugged off at the time, not realizing what they could snowball into, and thinking it was better than people knowing what they were actually doing.

Eventually, the UFO sightings, including the discovery of some debris from a fallen weather balloon by someone who didn't know what he was looking at (people were unfamiliar with mylar at the time, and it looked like "alien metal," probably because it was shiny, and used in Hollywood costumes in Sci-Fi movies), got conflated with the obvious secrecy at Roswell, and everyone just knew that they had a spaceship there that they captured, and they were doing experiments with spaceship technology. By the 1970s (and Vietnam, with POWs, and MIAs), the story was that Roswell had several spaceships, and alien bodies, and we could expect the aliens to return any day to collect their fallen comrades.

Sometime in the early 80s, or 90s, probably under the Freedom of Information Act, or maybe because the Air Force was tired of sightseers at Roswell, the government came clean about all the testing that had been going on, and thought that would make everything go away, but by then, it was totally out of hand, and true believers thought that the weapons testing story must clearly be just another layer of the cover-up.

[lynn cates]

rum job

Hello MB. IF Tumblety had tried to implicate the Freemasons, THEN he did a rum job of it.

Cheers.
LC

[Krinoid]

Krinoid - Abberline was a police officer, he got assigned to cases.

Or do you believe, as I have said elsewhere, that ALL the cases Abberline investigated in his career were linked?

Phil H

Of course not, but I can't find any other info on other cases outside ofthe EE he worked on, do you have any info?
Also his boss assigned him, same one on the ripper.

[Krinoid]

Good evening Rivkah,



No, Eddy wasn't gay. He was a straight, twenty-something royal prince in the prime of his life. Not one of the jaded middle-aged fobs who frequented homosexual brothels. It was a lawyer's ploy to help his client, an employee of the royal family by implying to drag Prince Albert Victor (PAV) into it. The lawyer did it.

Roy

No way,the evidence in the book Prince Eddy and the Homosexual Underworld is overwhelmingly against with evidence.

[RivkahChaya]

No way,the evidence in the book Prince Eddy and the Homosexual Underworld is overwhelmingly against with evidence.

Wow. I was sure you made that title up, and were just being funny, but nope. Not only is it a real book, it isn't even published by a vanity press.

BTW, has anyone ever noticed how much HRH Eddy resembles MJD? I'm considering working up a fake conspiracy (as a joke) just to see how much mileage I can get out of it.

[Phil H]

BTW, has anyone ever noticed how much HRH Eddy resembles MJD?

I tackled this the other day.

the resemblance only works in the b&w photos - actually I'm not sure the resemblance is that striking even so. But what about their height, colouring etc? Met in the flesh they might have been as unlike as any two men can be.

Also his boss assigned him, same one on the ripper.

Isn't that what bosses do? Unless there's a change of personnel, the line management chain does not change.

Phil H

[RivkahChaya]

BTW, has anyone ever noticed how much HRH Eddy resembles MJD?

I tackled this the other day.

the resemblance only works in the b&w photos - actually I'm not sure the resemblance is that striking even so. But what about their height, colouring etc? Met in the flesh they might have been as unlike as any two men can be.

That was some more of that "humor" stuff.

[Phil H]

No it wasn't "humor stuff"!!

[RivkahChaya]

BTW, has anyone ever noticed how much HRH Eddy resembles MJD? I'm considering working up a fake conspiracy (as a joke) just to see how much mileage I can get out of it. [<-- this is humor]

No it wasn't "humor stuff"!!

What part of it was difficult for you? was it the parentheses, or do you have trouble with sarcasm? In all seriousness, I know that sometimes sarcasm doesn't read well, without vocal inflection, but when I tell you what I said was meant to be humorous, it was.

[Phil H]

Sorry, I thought you were saying my comment was humourous!!! (Doh!)

But even as a hoax it wouldn't stand up.

Phil H

[RivkahChaya]

But even as a hoax it wouldn't stand up.

I am constantly shocked over what people are willing to believe. There are people who still believe the surgeon's photo of the Loch Ness monster is real, despite the person who took it, a guy named Christian Spurling, 'fessing up to how he cobbled together a fake "monster" from a sculpted head and a toy submarine, in 1994.

I also know people who still believe that the 1976 photograph of the Cydonia region of mars (the one that shows a "face") is more reliable that the more recent (2001), higher resolution ones, that show no such thing.

Also, I may, and I state this cautiously, be responsible, for the "AIDS syringes in pay phone collection slots" Urban Legend, because it first appeared not far from where I was living at the time, just a few months after a BS session where some friends and I made up fake Urban legends, and I came up with one about anthrax in pay phone coin tracks, so if your call didn't go through, your money would come back covered in anthrax spores. I said that if we spread it, then we could go around collecting all the accumulated change in the pay phone slots (we'd had a lot of cheap wine at that point). I wasn't serious, but that doesn't mean that someone else at the party didn't eventually spread a version of the story. Or, it could be a coincidence. Drunk minds often think alike, so if I came up with it, chances are, someone else did as well.

[Scott Nelson]

Careful Riv,

There's quite a few Fortean posters on this site.

[moonbegger]

Wow. I was sure you made that title up, and were just being funny, but nope. Not only is it a real book, it isn't even published by a vanity press.

Mmm .. Just as sure as you are about Roswell , Sasquatch and other conspiracies being made up ! In the words of my ol Grandad "unless you were there , and can without doubt accuse a good man of lying , best to keep your mouth shut"

Its funny how we all think we know things , until its proven to us, that we really don't . And i gladly include my self in that statement .

Cheers

moonbegger

[RivkahChaya]

So, the guy was telling the truth when he first showed the Loch Ness photo around, but lying when he said he faked it? He can't have been telling the truth both times, so what, you just toss a coin?

[Krinoid]

Wow. I was sure you made that title up, and were just being funny, but nope. Not only is it a real book, it isn't even published by a vanity press.

BTW, has anyone ever noticed how much HRH Eddy resembles MJD? I'm considering working up a fake conspiracy (as a joke) just to see how much mileage I can get out of it.

It is an excellent book and as others have pointed out on Amazon, very well researched, awfull title though.