Faecal matter on apron piece

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

Thanks.

Some fell on stony ground.

Regards,

Simon

[Hunter]

Hello Cris. I think Simon is being humourous. Heh-heh.

Cheers.
LC

Thank you, Lynn. What's been going on on both boards lately, I'm just no so sure anymore. There seems to be a lack of clarity that is sometimes astounding.

[Hunter]

I meant with respect to HOW to conduct the investigation, eg, what type of person sought, one, two, etc.

Hi Lynn,

Swanson's report spells out Phillips' and Brown's opinions on that. This is discussed in the article.

[lynn cates]

humour

Hello Cris. I think Simon is being humourous. Heh-heh.

Cheers.
LC

[Hunter]

Foster made his sketches at 3:45 a.m.
Are we in the Twilight Zone here?
Look at the date on that caption... Septr 30, 1888. Its the same typeset. It could not have been Septr 50.

[lynn cates]

good luck

Hello Cris. Thanks.

"Each medico who prepared a report on the post-mortem of the murder he was involved in would have included recommendations for the investigation at the conclusion of his report. Both Brown and Phillips submitted one on the Mitre Square murder and Insp.. Swanson makes mention of this in his summary report on this murder. The conclusions he relates is very telling."

I meant with respect to HOW to conduct the investigation, eg, what type of person sought, one, two, etc.

"I don't think Don will mind me mentioning this, but there is a very long article upcoming in the New Independent Review which addresses all of this. It follows Bagster Phillips throughout the whole skien chronologically and addresses the medical evidence, the anatomical knowledge/skill debate, the views of the various medicos as well as Wynne Baxter's, and why these views were expressed... along with discussing how post-mortem examinations were conducted during that time. I believe it will offer some clarity on a critical aspect of this case that has often been misperceived by Ripperologists for various reasons."

Sounds interesting. Good luck.

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi John,

Absolutely.

5.45 am on September 50th.

Regards,

Simon

[Jon Guy]

Thanks Simon, that`s a lot sharper than the Casebook copy. So, it`s definitely a 5 then. ;-)

[Simon Wood]

Hi Jon,



Regards,

Simon

[Jon Guy]

Hi Neil

It looks like a 5 to me when I zoom in on the sketch.

[Monty]

Jon,

Foster made his sketch of Eddowes at the mortuary at 3.45am.

We know this because he stated it clearly on his plans presented at the inquest.

Monty

[Jon Guy]

Foster made his sketches soon after ( 3:45 a.m.)

Wasnt` it 5.45 that Foster made his sketches?

[Monty]

Halse states he passed through Goulston st at approx 2.20am.

Brown was in Mitre Sq at 2.18am.

Halse states he went from Goulston St to Mitre Sq.

Halse then states he went from Mitre Sq to Golden lane, one assumes after Brown had conducted his prelims and had the body transported to Golden Lane mortuary which is around 10 mins away.

Halse and Collard observe the undressing of Eddowes and Halse notes the apron piece missing.


Monty

[Phil Carter]

Hello Cris,

Many thanks- I too am without my notes and books atm- hence the question.

Best wishes

Phil

[Hunter]

When did Collard and Halse arrive there again?

Hi Phil,

I don't know offhand. My power is out at home at the moment due to storms and I don't have access to my notes and references. I do know that Collard was there when Eddowes' body was stripped and that Foster made his sketches soon after ( 3:45 a.m.) This was the first time that a police inspector and surgeon worked together in this manner in this series of murders. I seem to recall that Collard was also there when Phillips arrived with the piece of apron from Goulston St.

Both Collard and Halse moved around a lot that morning as did others (Phillips was all over the place). They were reacting to a rapidly developing situation involving two murders and a tangible piece of evidence.