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  • #76
    Originally posted by Leanne View Post
    Map of Miller's Court

    Above is a diagrame of Millers Court. I believe there was an open window to No 26 (Storage) in the covered passage viewable to any residents entering from Dorset Street. The large window at the front would have been the one that was boarded up.
    A window in the passage?
    There's never been any reference to such a detail.
    Regards, Jon S.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
      All that's saying is that the window could be seen by any of the inmates of Miller's Court... which isn't strictly true,...
      I wouldn't read that as specifically meaning from each tenants room. Any resident passing through the court could see or look into Kelly's window(s).
      I take it to mean any resident within the court, meaning on foot.
      Regards, Jon S.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

        I wouldn't read that as specifically meaning from each tenants room. Any resident passing through the court could see or look into Kelly's window(s).
        I take it to mean any resident within the court, meaning on foot.
        Indeed, but I was thinking primarily of the residents of the front rooms and/or upper floors of Miller's Court, like Mrs Prater, who'd normally have had no reason to go into the court itself.
        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

          A window in the passage?
          There's never been any reference to such a detail.
          Was anyone interested in such a detail?

          One press sketch:

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          • #80
            Millers court:

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            • #81
              What are you showing me here Leanne, that is a well known sketch.
              Regards, Jon S.

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              • #82
                THE WINDOW that existed between Kelly's door and main entrance to Miller's Court. Some crime scene sketches fail to render it because they weren't interested in that part of Miller's Court. But the Illustrated Police News does.

                Millers Court has been destroyed now so we will never know for sure. I found a mention that this room or storage area became a problem because homeless people slept there during the Ripper scare and thinking that it was too tempting to the Ripper, the door facing Dorset Street was boarded up. The open window, however made it known to people living in the Court.

                My favorite suspect, Joseph Barnett, had a 'hidden' storage place to store knives, disguises, bloody clothes, etc. I'm pretty sure Bruce Paley mentions it in his book.

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                • #83
                  FROM THAT WRITING I FOUND:

                  'The room, however, is really the back parlour of 26, Dorset-street, the front shop being partitioned off, and used for the storage of barrows, &c.

                  This was formerly left open, and poor persons often took shelter there for the night; but when the Whitechapel murders caused so much alarm the police thought the spot offered a temptation to the murderer, and so the front was securely boarded up.

                  Although the window was open to the observation of any of the inmates of the court, the door was some distance from any other, and afforded the utmost facility for an easy escape.”

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                    • #85
                      Look very closely at this photo:
                      There appears to be a window, not a door.

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                      • #86
                        I didn't mean to post it twice

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Leanne View Post
                          THE WINDOW that existed between Kelly's door and main entrance to Miller's Court. Some crime scene sketches fail to render it because they weren't interested in that part of Miller's Court. But the Illustrated Police News does.
                          The wall where we see Kelly's door continues down the passage and within the passage was another door, there is no window inside the passage.

                          Millers Court has been destroyed now so we will never know for sure. I found a mention that this room or storage area became a problem because homeless people slept there during the Ripper scare and thinking that it was too tempting to the Ripper, the door facing Dorset Street was boarded up. The open window, however made it known to people living in the Court.

                          My favorite suspect, Joseph Barnett, had a 'hidden' storage place to store knives, disguises, bloody clothes, etc. I'm pretty sure Bruce Paley mentions it in his book.
                          Yes, I thought you were the same Leanne we used to debate with back in the late 90's, and firm supporter of Bruce Paley

                          Nice to see you back.

                          Regards, Jon S.

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                          • #88
                            The second door to the upstairs, is a little clearer here.


                            Both doors are marked on this Ordnance Survey Map, though Kelly's door is not exactly correct.
                            Regards, Jon S.

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                            • #89
                              Here is an amazing 3d rendition of what the layout seems to have been from numerous press articles & witness testimony.

                              Regards, Jon S.

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                              • #90
                                from an old Ripper Walk:



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