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  • #241
    Trip down to hell

    I dont think Jack met Kate in Aldgate. I think she had a bit of very rotten luck and was picked up in his primary comfort zone, then she led him to mitre square for god knows why and he deemed the location secure.

    Hope that makes sense


    Yours truly
    Washington Irving:

    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

    Stratford-on-Avon

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    • #242
      I would have thought that Goulston Street was in his comfort zone to some extent hence stopping and dropping the apron. Possibly he thought that he was safe enough to stop for a moment or he saw someone and hid.
      In order to know virtue, we must first aquaint ourselves with vice!

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      • #243
        I had always though goulston street to be his escape route. I doubt he was comfortable with the street at all, if his home or workplace was centered around goulston street why dump evidence there??

        If I was the killer I would want to dump the evidence outside of my comfort zone. To throw off the police.

        What I should of done was connected millers court,hanbury street, and berner street for that is his secondary comfort zone, his primary would be around bucks row.

        yours truly
        Last edited by corey123; 12-30-2009, 11:30 PM.
        Washington Irving:

        "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

        Stratford-on-Avon

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        • #244
          I don't think that Goulston Street is where he lived!
          I agree that it was on his way home to his comfort zone. What I am saying in that you could pull the zone further out down WHS.
          In order to know virtue, we must first aquaint ourselves with vice!

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          • #245
            Originally posted by KatBradshaw View Post
            Why does the box cut so far from Mitre Sq?
            And why is there no murder within the box ?
            Looks like the Ripper discomfort-zone to me.

            Amitiés,
            David

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            • #246
              There is the murder of Martha in the box.

              As to his 'comfort zone' it is the area he feels safe to kill around, not that he lives withing th area.

              he did live locally though.

              Kate,

              Give me a moment I will make three of them.

              Yours truly
              Washington Irving:

              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

              Stratford-on-Avon

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              • #247
                Geographic profile

                Here are three variations.

                One:
                Shows bucks row then to hanbury st, then to berner st, then to millers court.

                Two:
                Shows hanbury st to berner st to millers court.

                Three:
                Hanbury to benerer to mitre to millers.
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                Washington Irving:

                "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                Stratford-on-Avon

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                • #248
                  They are interesting plots Corey and I can see the theory from which you are working. I think his 'zone' is bigger though.
                  Are you taking Buck's Row as closest to his home because this is the first canonical murder? This assumes that this was the first attack, which I don't believe it was.
                  In order to know virtue, we must first aquaint ourselves with vice!

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                  • #249
                    Hi Corey,

                    Remember that Goulston Street was a well known hotspot for the Jewish occupancy. If the GSG location was close to his bolt-hole, he could still have been "throwing off the police" in the direction of the Jewish community, which, courtesy of "Leather Apron", had already become a popular target for ripper-related suspicion.

                    I have little doubt that the ripper's comfort zone encompassed Goulston Street.

                    Best regards,
                    Ben

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                    • #250
                      No,

                      I believe the first murder commited by jack the ripper(on record that we know about) is that of martha tabram.

                      For several reasons.

                      Which if you like I can state them.

                      That is where I get confused, why return to his home base??

                      Well I dont think jack killed her.

                      Now Your confused I know but I will clearify.

                      I think he stumbled upon her body(hence one stab wound differered from the rest,sternum)
                      And preceaded to stab her 38 times.

                      yours truly
                      Washington Irving:

                      "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                      Stratford-on-Avon

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                      • #251
                        That seems very far fetched to me Corey.
                        In order to know virtue, we must first aquaint ourselves with vice!

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                        • #252
                          Not as it seems, there were 39 stab wounds, one which could have been caused by a dagger the rest by a pen knife. This is whats farfetched, a killer stabbing a women once with one weapon then changing knifes to stab her 38 more times.
                          I prefer both senerios but the one I described is more logical.

                          But then you have another senerio I like, is when he could have made the other wound look as if it was done by another knife, but that depeneds on if they seperated the two wound typed by depth or width.
                          Washington Irving:

                          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                          Stratford-on-Avon

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                          • #253
                            Well not really if you compare it to the case of the Yorkshire Ripper.
                            It could be he stabbed with one knife and then decided the other one he had was better.
                            You would have to question why Jack was inside that building in the first place to find Martha.
                            In order to know virtue, we must first aquaint ourselves with vice!

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                            • #254
                              That isnt really relavent, and no concreit answer can arise. And most beginning crimes by serial murders are almost near opposite to their capital crimes. If anyone else out of the canonicals fit his profile it is her. Where the throat, abdomen, and private parts were the targets as were with the canonicles. Also going from a stab to a rip isnt a big jump. Another thing there was one that was more of a rip than a stab.
                              Last edited by corey123; 12-31-2009, 12:11 AM.
                              Washington Irving:

                              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                              Stratford-on-Avon

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                              • #255
                                Originally posted by corey123 View Post
                                I dont think Jack met Kate in Aldgate. I think she had a bit of very rotten luck and was picked up in his primary comfort zone, then she led him to mitre square for god knows why and he deemed the location secure.

                                Yours truly
                                Hi Corey,

                                in fact, Jack and Kate were walking back to Bishopsgate Police Station, the latter erroneously assuming that PC Hutt was ready for a threesome experience.
                                Passing Mitre Square, they met PC Watkins.
                                Watkins or Hutt, it made no difference for Jack.
                                And he was exhausted, having run from St George (indeed, the mere memory of Schwartz' face still filled him with dread).
                                Unfortunately, Kate was to find Watkins' face distateful to the extreme.
                                Excessively long and narrow.
                                The over-sensitive constable got hurt and cawed: " Take care, I'll give you a nice hiding if I see you around again!"
                                He headed then proudly to the Church passage.
                                As the echo of his heels died away, Jack lost control.

                                Amitiés,
                                David

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