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No13 had a false wall or partition, if this was a brick wall or not I really couldn't say. If I remember rightly the partition wall was the one which the bed was up against.protohistorian-Where would we be without Stewart Evans or Paul Begg,Kieth Skinner, Martin Fido,or Donald Rumbelow?
Sox-Knee deep in Princes & Painters with Fenian ties who did not mutilate the women at the scene, but waited with baited breath outside the mortuary to carry out their evil plots before rushing home for tea with the wife...who would later poison them of course
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still - slicing someones throat open usually shuts them up pretty fast. i doubt your killer is the one to give them a chance to react.
so a discussion of whether or not the victims could have uttered a sound doesnt really seem to have a point unless someone heard them.if mickey's a mouse, and pluto's a dog, whats goofy?Comment
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Hi Joel,Originally posted by joelhall View Post
Precisely, but several witnesses did hear something, and it helps to demolish the mythic "silence" of the Ripper.
The Hewitts, and probably the Reeves, in Tabram's case.
Cadosch, in Chapman's.
Schwartz in Stride's.
Prater (and Diddles...) at Miller's Court.
Amitiés,
DavidComment
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in any case it didnt help the victims out much. the least we could call the murders themselves is 'stealthy' - very quick, efficient and with the minimal noise possible.Originally posted by DVV View Post
whether the attack itself it utterly silent just seems to be a purely academic point, and doesnt offer much in the way of evidence. the main reason being - we cant be sure what the noises if any sounded like, and the tone of voice of anything said.
obviously any attack is not going to be completely silent, unless the killer shot them through the throat with a cross bow with a bolt large enough to sever the entire wind pipe, through the larynx, on a windy night and they fell into a dry sponge naked.
pretty unlikely id say.if mickey's a mouse, and pluto's a dog, whats goofy?Comment
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Agreed Joel,
...but I enjoy pure academic points...
Apparently, the victims couldn't shout loudly.
It tells a little.
Amitiés,
DavidComment
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The screams of any murder victims cant help connect them, only physical evidence, even if it takes the silent aspect out of the ripper it gets us no where.Washington Irving:
"To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "
Stratford-on-AvonComment
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Hi Corey,
I disagree. The fact that the victims couldn't scream loudly, nor resist long, is important.
Ada Wilson has been saved by her screams.
After that, no Whitechapel victim got the chance to shout loudly enough.
Amitiés,
DavidComment
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How would that link any murder though??? If you want to link murders by screams then I guess all 10 other murders were by the ripper?Washington Irving:
"To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "
Stratford-on-AvonComment
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When and where did I intend to link the murders by their screams or their silence?
Amitiés,
DavidComment
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Well what else are you trying to do with their screams?
I see what your saying with ada though.
Only though if jack was in that gang that killed her though.Washington Irving:
"To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "
Stratford-on-AvonComment
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Who said Ada was attacked by a gang ?
Where does it come from ?
Amitiés,
DavidComment
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Damn,
My mind is elsewhere.
My apologys I am not thinking straight.
Anyways where are you going with the screams???Washington Irving:
"To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "
Stratford-on-AvonComment
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Going?
What for?
It's simply better to have the testimony of Cadosch than to ignore it.
Whenever there is a murder, neighbors are asked whether they've heard something or not.
And do you know why ?
Because it's important for the inquiry.
Amitiés,
DavidComment
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Of coarse
It is,
I think someone was trying to make the sounds of the dying victims a point in connecting them. I am tired and not thinking my best.
Ha Ha, and I am still gathering info to go with my narcissist theory(which by the way is looking very promising, no matter how you feel about it).
sorry for the confusion.
yours trulyWashington Irving:
"To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "
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Ada Wilson was not attacked by a gang, Emma Smith was. And, by the way, a scream can help establish the time of death, so I would say that they are very important to an investigation.protohistorian-Where would we be without Stewart Evans or Paul Begg,Kieth Skinner, Martin Fido,or Donald Rumbelow?
Sox-Knee deep in Princes & Painters with Fenian ties who did not mutilate the women at the scene, but waited with baited breath outside the mortuary to carry out their evil plots before rushing home for tea with the wife...who would later poison them of courseComment
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